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Old 02-15-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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I didn't say they weren't. I am one. But you said present-day Germany and I offered you a correction. You didn't say Germanic people, you said present-day Germany. That's all.
..That wasn't me..

 
Old 02-15-2011, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Jamestown NY
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Nah...it's about race...believe me.
You are right to some degree on race when it comes to foreign subversives who are working to destroy us and our Democratic, Constitutional, Republic...

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Old 02-15-2011, 09:35 PM
 
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The irony is here is that countries around world the that are highly monlithic are facing population growth issues that will severely impact there populations in the next 50 to 75 years.
And how is this a bad thing? Don't you liberal environmentalists always harp on about overpopulation?
 
Old 02-15-2011, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Jamestown NY
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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No, because most likely you have the same "problem".
You don't know me.
 
Old 02-16-2011, 08:03 AM
 
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The entire article is based on a series of false premises. It starts off talking about the great wall of China. Well as of now there are over 50 different ethnic groups in China.

List of ethnic groups in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An argrument can be made the Chinese are probably more unified than at anytime in their 5,000 year history.

The second flaw is no account is taken for the European invasions of North America, South America, Africa, Asia. Now the shoe is on the other foot and people of European descent are screaming Bloody Murder. I didn't see Europeans asking for immigration visas or citizenships when they invaded in plundered around the world for hundreds of years.

The third issue is that American White culture gets shoved down everybody's throat. Why? Because of as of now White Americans constitute a majority. The question is if and when White Americans are no longer the majority why should their culture continue the be shoved down everybody's throat? There is nothing wrong with other cultures co-existing in this country. That is unless you have fear that your culture won't reign supreme. The ulitmate irony here is that European Americans have spent most of the history of this nation excluding, dsicrminationing and segregating people of other cultures and at the beginning of this countries history THAT EVEN INCLUDED OTHER EUROPEANS.

The entire premise of the article is of "Fear Of The Other".

There is no reason that European American culture should not continue to exist in this country. By the same token other cultures should be given their due respect and allowed to exist as those people that practice their respective cultures see fit.
All those flaws show why we should not repeat history
 
Old 02-16-2011, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Jamestown NY
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The road that these agents were on was not one of the many roads that are FLAGGED for use by Americans while in Mexico. The total hypocracy by "Big Sis" in her statements of this as a tragedy is over the top. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry who was shot and killed IN ARIZONA, by illegals is and has the blood of the gov't on their hands. Evidence has emerged from multiple sources that it may have been the Buureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) that arranged for the purchase and the transportation into cartel hands the gun that killed BP Agent Brian Terry. In fact there were several guns in the sales that could have resulted in the murder of Mr. Terry. If this proves to be accurate those guns purchased in Glendale Arizona in a transaction coordinated by the ATF, the intent of the actions was to introduce the guns into a controlled investigation with the intent to crack a border weapons smuggling operation, While the war rages, scrutiny of any measure of it's success by the mexican Gov't has continued, but postive results are not forthcoming. in fact the opposite appears to be true. But the greater offenders in the conflict that took Brian Terry's life may never be challenged. ATF would never have run that operation if the HUMAN AND DRUG SMUGGLING CORRIDORS ON THE ARIZONA BORDER DIDN'T EXIST. What I find unbelievable is that these men who work within the realm of Border patrol, etc., would actually be out and driving the much coveted "Suburban", (by the member of the cartel) on ANY ROAD IN THE COUNTRY OF MEXICO. You of course won't hear any of the actual facts on this as Big Sis attempts to cover her GREAT BIG FAT LYING BEHIND making Mexico the culprit here, WHO AND WHAT ALLOWED THEM TO BE DRIVING ANYWHERE IN MEXICO?, when in reality the BORDER IS JUST AS DANGEROUS, and the country as a whole is being blindly taken down a path of believing every thing down here is peachy keen. IT IS NOT. ILLEGALS ARE FINANCIALLY RAPING EVERY STATE ON THE BORDER with their bills in health care, social services, incarceration, and EDUCATION. Until the people of the country realize that the NIGHTMARE KNOWN AS MEXICO IS DEALT WITH and that these CARTELS HAVE PEOPLE HERE ALREADY IN EVERY SECTION OF THE U.S., NORTH, EAST, SOUTH AND WEST these kinds of story will only be half, hell 1/4 of the story. And as we speak right now Sen. Lindsey Graham, Sen. Kyl, Sen. McCain, Sen. Cornyn are all in bed with the OBAMA administration to come up with some form of AMNESTY, and Graham is working with Schumer of NY to get this accomplished this year. Talked to Grahams office yesterday and the words, NO THERE WON'T BE ANY AMNESTY would not be uttered out of his staffers mouth. So get ready people these third world, non assimilating, drug wielding citizens are soon to become your neighbors all with benefits from the U.S. GOVERNMENT. Enjoy the fight, because they will be demanding their rights while they spit in your face, and believe me it isn't a whole lot of fun.

Mexican military incursions reported

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/17/20060117-121930-3169r/
 
Old 02-16-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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The second flaw is no account is taken for the European invasions of North America, South America, Africa, Asia. Now the shoe is on the other foot and people of European descent are screaming Bloody Murder. I didn't see Europeans asking for immigration visas or citizenships when they invaded in plundered around the world for hundreds of years.
Oh come on! The Europeans were really just the LAST and most successful in the world history of invasion and plunder before the modern age. There was no prohibition against that sort of behavior until the modern age when modern thinkers began to agree that empire building was something that wasn't good. All other populations who did not engage in expansionist designs typically lacked the resources to subjugate others, and therefore get no extra credit for not forming empires.

By your historical guilt hypothesis, the "hurt" Europeans inflicted on Africa and Asia and the middle east is just payback for previous subjugation, rape and plunder of Europeans by populations from THOSE areas into Europe in THEIR past (see for example: North African invasions of Southern Europe, Mongol invasions and subjugations, etc.).


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The third issue is that American White culture gets shoved down everybody's throat. Why? Because of as of now White Americans constitute a majority.
Let's be real: Anglo cultural foundation is "shoved down everybody's throat" because it's a proven recipe for success, and the governing and business structure of the nation is based on that cultural foundation. And it works very well overall. Ever wonder why former British colonies seem to do much much better than colonies of even other European nations? Or how adoption of Western ideals tend to lead to freer and more open societies (despite the charges that whites and Europeans are evil people who love to subjugate) than basically anywhere else in the world?

People who reject the dominant American culture do so at their peril, and have no basis to complain when they are "left out." White people, after years of excluding, would love nothing else but for all minorities and newcomers to adopt those cultural norms, and it would behoove others to do so.

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The question is if and when White Americans are no longer the majority why should their culture continue the be shoved down everybody's throat?
Because besides east Asian cultural traits, Euro-American culture is, quite frankly, the most successful culture in the modern world, and those that live within its sphere of dominance do better than those who do not, regardless of the race. Now, I know that hurts some feelings to accept that fact, but it's true. (In this case, where "White American culture" equals post-enlightenment, social capitalism and European liberal democratic ideals). Blacks living in America, for all the white devil's abuses, are the most successful population of blacks in the entire world, in and out of Africa. That's a direct function of Euro-American cultural ideals.

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There is nothing wrong with other cultures co-existing in this country.
Unless they are inferior cultures. Even the waves of Europeans who came here assimilated into a greater Anglo-American model of the culture, casting away all but the superficial niceities of their culture, and it has made us a better nation.

Not all cultures are created equal, nor should all cultures be welcomed. Cultures that do not share western ideals (ideals may not always match reality, but ideals are constantly strived for, where the ideals don't even exist in most other parts of the world) of openness, acceptance and tolerance. Equality of the sexes, religious freedom, etc.

To what good, and to what end would having "co-existing cultures" in this country have? Unless "multiculturalism" is the end in and of itself? As someone of Latin descent I really find very little positive about the adoption of Latin cultural traits in the United States. I thank god my grandparents moved to the United States instead of, say, Brazil, which is a hot mess.

Granted, I know many blacks think its a lesson in schadenfreude, and welcome the decline of European influence without truly knowing the consequence of same down the road for even their own communities (I guess the childish thinking is that any decline in anything perceived to be "white" is a righting of historical wrongs), but it doesn't excuse critical thinking as to whether it's TRULY a benefit to the United States.

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That is unless you have fear that your culture won't reign supreme. The ulitmate irony here is that European Americans have spent most of the history of this nation excluding, dsicrminationing and segregating people of other cultures and at the beginning of this countries history THAT EVEN INCLUDED OTHER EUROPEANS.
This really doesn't have to do with anything. The question is whether multiculturalism is good? Superficial multiculturalism is nice. That is what the American "melting pot" has been to date. Building and adding bits and pieces to the basic Western civilization, Anglo-American (which actually has huge contribution from black Americans) tradition where everyone can identify with and take ownership in the greater culture. Only by encouraging assimilation will conflict dissipate between the cultures.

Multiracial societies can work where there's a common culture among all. Otherwise, we become balkanized. And we know how crappy and FAILED the Balkan states are.


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There is no reason that European American culture should not continue to exist in this country. By the same token other cultures should be given their due respect and allowed to exist as those people that practice their respective cultures see fit.
Why? Let's not engage in tautology. Again, I say it's better for the nation for newcomers to adapt to and adopt in general, the AMERICAN cultural norms and values while keeping the basic superficial pieces (foods, language at home) for their personal lives.

And if a certain member of a cultural group DOESN'T want to adopt American or European cultural norms, then they have nobody but themselves to whine to when they are not accepted or are excluded from business, government or other institutions that are founded on evil European cultural values. Why should they "let you in" so to speak, if you don't care to truly become American?
 
Old 02-16-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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American Culture changes the immigrants and the immigrants change American culture. This is not new. The trick is to be flexible enough to get along in the changed conditions.
 
Old 02-16-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Jamestown NY
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American Culture changes the immigrants and the immigrants change American culture. This is not new. The trick is to be flexible enough to get along in the changed conditions.
Yeah...and you, and your kids will get flexed right out of everything you own or hold dear including your freedom and your Constitutional Republic.... Some are just incapable of learning even when the facts of their condition are placed right in front of their eyes.... It kinda reminds me of...lets see...Oh! RAIN MAN!

Dream Act Amnesty Equals The Destruction of America

ALIPAC - Dream Act Amnesty Equals The Destruction of America

NOW..LET SEE, AGAIN...THERE ARE GOOD IMMIGRANTS AND THERE ARE BAD! YES? THERE IS GOOD IMMIGRATION POLICY AND THERE IS BAD...RIGHT?
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