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Old 02-16-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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These agents were assigned to the ICE field office at the US Embassy in Mexico City. The agents were in an embassy vehicle with diplomatic plates. I wouldent be suprised if the cartels were informed beforehand and decided it was too tempting a target to pass up, they probably wanted to take the 2 agents hostage. They were probably targeted, which is why their were no reports of a fake checkpoint in the area until the agents were ambushed.

It also appears that we are having some confusion here regarding titles. Let me fix this:

"CBP" = former US Customs Service inspectors + the US Border Patrol
"ICE" = former Immigration and Naturalization Service special agents + former US Customs Service special agents

CBP works the ports of entry while ICE conducts the investigations. The agents were not "on the border" because that's not their job, that is the job of CBP officers and US Border Patrol agents. ICE agents do not wear uniforms, they are plainclothes like FBI, NCIS, or DEA special agents. CBP officers do wear uniforms however.

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It's going to take a much publicized out and out attack on US soil before anything gets done unfortunately.
Agreed, the cartels are going to have to do something incredibly drastic like kill multiple US law enforcement officers in a single incident, or raid some rural community in Arizona or New Mexico and kill and rape the residents before Washington DC does something.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:41 PM
 
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Because the USA has no real border control and no desire to identify the illegals who are already here I think its safe to say that thousands and thousands of mexican drug cartel members are already here hard at work doing their business.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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It is my understanding that ICE on occasion deports illegals to areas in the interior of Mexico. Until we have all of the details, I am not willing to assume they were there without the permission of the Mexican government.
I have a feeling they weren't deporting illegals - those illegals are flown into Mexico and the agents would certainly return by plane.

To me we should have agents at the border itself enforcing it - it makes no sense to be way into the interior while drug traffickers are crossing over the border all they please.

It's sad for these men and their families, I think the policy is bad.
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Old 02-16-2011, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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ICE Agent Death Highlights Risks in Drug War - CBS News


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Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said the fatal attack on American law enforcement,
the highest-profile since the 1985 torture and killing of DEA agent Enrique "Kiki" Camarena,
won't change the U.S. commitment to supporting Mexico in its crackdown on organized crime.
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Old 02-16-2011, 10:37 PM
 
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We better hang on to our wallets now. Just wait and see if we dont start giving billions more to mexico to help them fight the drug cartels.Just wait.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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2 US custom agents shot in Mexico *gasp*, shocking. Illegal immigrants are used for target practice across the border all the time. If it’s the USA doing it, it’s cool, right? If another country is doing it, it’s terrible?

It’s like the USA complaining about countries having weapons of mass destruction while they keep making them and selling them to their very own enemies.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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2 US custom agents shot in Mexico *gasp*, shocking. Illegal immigrants are used for target practice across the border all the time. If it’s the USA doing it, it’s cool, right? If another country is doing it, it’s terrible?

It’s like the USA complaining about countries having weapons of mass destruction while they keep making them and selling them to their very own enemies.
Got a link to this "news" that illegal aliens are being used for target practice across the border? Thought not!
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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Got a link to this "news" that illegal aliens are being used for target practice across the border? Thought not!
Not just one link, but many. Children, elders, men, women, etc. killed by the border patrol and citizens. Illegal aliens can do bad things, sure, but US customs are no angels. Here you go:

Incidents of Border Patrol use of force
According to Rodolfo Acuña, Professor Emeritus of Chicano Studies at California State University, "Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs reported 117 cases of human rights abuses by US officials against migrants from 1988 to 1990, including fourteen deaths. During the 1980s, Border Patrol agents shot dozens of people, killing eleven and permanently disabling ten."

In May 2000, an illegal immigrant was shot in the shoulder by a border patrolman near Brownsville, Texas, and died later from the wounds.

On May 28, 1994, Martín García Martínez was shot by a Border Patrol agent at the San Ysidro port of entry. He died on July 3 as a result of his injuries.

On May 2010, a recently deported Mexican migrant died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing.

On June 2010 , a 15-year-old Mexican citizen was shot to death on the Mexican side of the border near El Paso, Texas. The U.S Border Patrol reported that the officers responded to a group of suspected illegal immigrants who where throwing rocks at them.

Vigilante killings
According to Time Magazine, in the first half of 2000, three immigrants have been killed and seven others have been wounded in showdowns on the U.S. side of the border. In 2000, the United Nations opened an investigation into vigilante killings of migrants crossing Mexico's border with the USA, dispatching a senior UN investigator to the border country close to where Sam Blackwood, a 74-year-old rancher, was charged with killing Eusebio de Haro, an unarmed Mexican he tried to subdue for the border patrol and fatally shot in the back of the thigh after pursuing him a quarter mile down the road in his truck.

Intentional killings
On February 8, 2007, four gunmen of unknown nationality opened fire on a truck carrying illegal immigrants in the Ironwood Forest National Monument, killing two men and a 15-year-old girl. The incident was covered on the front page of every major newspaper in Mexico City.

International consequences
The deaths have caused tension between the United States and other countries, particularly Mexico and the countries of Central America, from where a majority of illegal immigrants that enter the United States through the Southwestern borders come. Foreign consulates across the Southwest United States, in particular those of Latin American countries, have condemned the deaths of illegal immigrants across the border.

Migrant deaths along the Mexico

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Old 02-17-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Not just one link, but many. Children, elders, men, women, etc. killed by the border patrol and citizens. Illegal aliens can do bad things, sure, but US customs are no angels. Here you go:

Incidents of Border Patrol use of force
According to Rodolfo Acuña, Professor Emeritus of Chicano Studies at California State University, "Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs reported 117 cases of human rights abuses by US officials against migrants from 1988 to 1990, including fourteen deaths. During the 1980s, Border Patrol agents shot dozens of people, killing eleven and permanently disabling ten."

In May 2000, an illegal immigrant was shot in the shoulder by a border patrolman near Brownsville, Texas, and died later from the wounds.

On May 28, 1994, Martín García Martínez was shot by a Border Patrol agent at the San Ysidro port of entry. He died on July 3 as a result of his injuries.

On May 2010, a recently deported Mexican migrant died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing.

On June 2010 , a 15-year-old Mexican citizen was shot to death on the Mexican side of the border near El Paso, Texas. The U.S Border Patrol reported that the officers responded to a group of suspected illegal immigrants who where throwing rocks at them.

Vigilante killings
According to Time Magazine, in the first half of 2000, three immigrants have been killed and seven others have been wounded in showdowns on the U.S. side of the border. In 2000, the United Nations opened an investigation into vigilante killings of migrants crossing Mexico's border with the USA, dispatching a senior UN investigator to the border country close to where Sam Blackwood, a 74-year-old rancher, was charged with killing Eusebio de Haro, an unarmed Mexican he tried to subdue for the border patrol and fatally shot in the back of the thigh after pursuing him a quarter mile down the road in his truck.

Intentional killings
On February 8, 2007, four gunmen of unknown nationality opened fire on a truck carrying illegal immigrants in the Ironwood Forest National Monument, killing two men and a 15-year-old girl. The incident was covered on the front page of every major newspaper in Mexico City.

International consequences
The deaths have caused tension between the United States and other countries, particularly Mexico and the countries of Central America, from where a majority of illegal immigrants that enter the United States through the Southwestern borders come. Foreign consulates across the Southwest United States, in particular those of Latin American countries, have condemned the deaths of illegal immigrants across the border.

Migrant deaths along the Mexico
None of what you posted was done by "target practice" as you claim.

There was a reason for everyone of the shootings, and they all could have been prevented by NOT entering the US illegally.

I suppose if an illegal came running out of bank and was shoot dead, after
holding up a teller, the person or officer that shoot the illegal should be charged for murder?
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Old 02-17-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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None of what you posted was done by "target practice" as you claim
Call it whatever you want, does it make it right? I don’t justify that 2 americans were killed in Mexican soil, it’s wrong. But crying over 2 while the USA kills illegal immigrants left and right it’s a bit hypocritical.

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There was a reason for everyone of the shootings, and they all could have been prevented by NOT entering the US illegally
I am sure the guys who killed only those 2 Americans had many reasons to do so as well.

It’s like USA going to the Middle East to find weapons of mass destruction with the goal of having world peace while the USA are the ones who create this weapons and sell them to their very own enemy.
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