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Old 02-16-2011, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I'm not making a case against dual citizenship but the issue of divided loyalties came up in WW2. When a German POW escaped from a Canadian POW camp he used a series of German safehouses to make his way down to Mexico. He was apprehended in San Antonio.

PoW Escape from Camp 30 Bowmanville
The Abwehr’s agents had provided Krug with names and addresses of safe houses, which he was to contact if he were to make it safely to Detroit. His first contact was a Mrs. Bertelmann who in turn introduced him to restaurant owner Max Stephan. Given food and lodging and money for his trip, Krug headed out for his final destination, Mexico, a neutral country.

(it's an interesting Great Escape type story complete with papier-maché dummies to fool the guards at roll call)
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 02-16-2011, 10:04 PM
 
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Sounds like an invasion.
If you want to be Mexican so bad why not stay in Mexico?




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Money. They love American money but they hate the USA, it's laws and it's people and culture. They would choose USA citizenship and give up Mexican citizenship if made to choose because the dollars trumps everything else.
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Old 02-17-2011, 05:06 AM
 
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Well I can't speak for others but in my grandkids case, it just gives them more "options" in later life. If they decide to they can move to Australia for a while and experience it without the hassles of visas etc. Lord knows plenty of the rich and famous move freely between countries, why not the average joe if they can? lol
For me, it'll just make the kids visit their nan a very hassle-free experience since they don't have to fill out landing cards for the UK Border Agency or go through immigration at Heathrow or Gatwick. They're not going "home", because home will be here, not there. And I'll make sure they understand that. All of my kids are going to be born here, I just don't see the issue if I just want them to see their other half of the family without being asked 20 questions at Immigration like I do at Gatwick
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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One or two dual citizens here and there are no big deal - but in many parts of the USA, there are places already where the duals outnumber the American-only citizens. You have entire pockets on this side of the border where no one cares to ever learn English, they have zero use for American culture and history.

As some describe them, their hearts are in Mexico but their stomachs are in the USA. They will never again live in Mexico but they are now able to vote in it's elections, they are Mexican in every way, they fly their own countries flag but they have the USA citizenship for convenience only - if they commit serious crimes, they run to their other country -- that works either way, they can murder in Mexico and seek refuge in the USA from their acts -- El Ponchis is an example of that. After horrendous tortures and decapitations of their victims, he and his sisters were on their way back to the USA to evade justice, luckily the authorities caught them just in time or they'd be here living off the taxpayers and probably starting up their crime sprees here.
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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1. Most dual citizens are not even aware of their dual citizenship, as few Americans are familiar with the citizenship laws of their ancestral homelands.

2. Dual citizenship can bring benefits (and obligations) that have nothing to do with loyalty. For example, the ability to inherit or own property, or sometimes even just get a job can be based on citizenship.
Almost no dual citizen is obtaining it for the obligations. They aren't about to pay federal income taxes in two countries because they love them both.

It's about gaining advantage period - the dual citizens living it up in the USA will use their bigger earning power to have advantage over their countrymen when it's time to buy up good property and make out like bandits. They don't want to live anywhere near that property of course, they want to live in the land of big money but use their citizenship for financial gain in both countries.

They won't give a damn really about politics and reforms back home, how they vote in their other country's national elections won't influence their own grand lifestyle so they won't vote responsibly.

Tell the duals that because they love both of their countries so, that they will be expected to pay income tax twice and you'll see most of them running to denounce their other than US citizenship very quickly.

Like a famous president once said "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country", but the duals aren't about that at all.
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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Its like being a leech.

No loyalty but leeching off of American wealth.
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Old 02-17-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Rojas, who has lived in Charlotte for 13 years, was accompanied by her sister Esperanza, who submitted the citizenship papers for her two children, ages 8 and 9,
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so that they would "be prepared in case something happens."
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Now more than ever you have to be prepared, with your papers in order, in case we must return to our country
and thus our children will already have citizenship," said Alfredo Rojas, Esperanza's husband.


If you ask me, it sounds like at least one message has reached it's destination.

Illegals don't fight for US Citizenship because they want it. They fight because they know that they can benefit from it.
Signing up for dual citizenship just shows that they're being prepared for the worst.
Well good for them
But in turn, it shows just how much the US is being used.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Almost no dual citizen is obtaining it for the obligations. They aren't about to pay federal income taxes in two countries because they love them both.

It's about gaining advantage period - the dual citizens living it up in the USA will use their bigger earning power to have advantage over their countrymen when it's time to buy up good property and make out like bandits. They don't want to live anywhere near that property of course, they want to live in the land of big money but use their citizenship for financial gain in both countries.

They won't give a damn really about politics and reforms back home, how they vote in their other country's national elections won't influence their own grand lifestyle so they won't vote responsibly.

Tell the duals that because they love both of their countries so, that they will be expected to pay income tax twice and you'll see most of them running to denounce their other than US citizenship very quickly.

Like a famous president once said "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country", but the duals aren't about that at all.
In general taxes are paid in the country of residence. There is no citizenship requirement. There are also rules about taxes on income where earned and there are some tax treaties that modify this.

But dual or triple or no citizenship makes no difference.
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:24 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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it did indeed come up during WWII. looking at the case of japanese americans, report after report showed that japanese citizens, residents (and those here illegally) showed allegiance to the US and only to the US. but no matter how much they said so, they were still interred. that detention was based on irrational fears.
it would be the same now.

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Originally Posted by Gary Siete View Post
I'm not making a case against dual citizenship but the issue of divided loyalties came up in WW2. When a German POW escaped from a Canadian POW camp he used a series of German safehouses to make his way down to Mexico. He was apprehended in San Antonio.

PoW Escape from Camp 30 Bowmanville
The Abwehr’s agents had provided Krug with names and addresses of safe houses, which he was to contact if he were to make it safely to Detroit. His first contact was a Mrs. Bertelmann who in turn introduced him to restaurant owner Max Stephan. Given food and lodging and money for his trip, Krug headed out for his final destination, Mexico, a neutral country.

(it's an interesting Great Escape type story complete with papier-maché dummies to fool the guards at roll call)
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Old 02-17-2011, 06:26 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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i wouldnt mind that happening. i doubt the number of defectors would be great, or even noticeable.
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You’re right, this has been discussed before. No need to beat a dead horse. However, let’s hope none of those with dual citizenship ever have to decide during wartime, between defending the U.S., or their other country of equal allegiance.
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