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Old 07-22-2007, 12:23 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I wasn't sure if I should write this thread here....dont' want to cause an uproar, but Rudy Giuliani is one of my top choices for President in 2008.

So ya'll who have lived in NYC when he was mayor, how tough is Giuliani on illegal immigration? Is he sympathetic to border jumpers and anchor babies like Hillary Clinton is? Or was he as tough on the illegals as he was on other criminals and gangster?

I want our troops out of Iraq (I'm not going to say I was misled by Bush but the war isn't turning out the way it should and no weapons have been found there or a connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda)....but I also care a lot about illegal immigration because I am watching my county and my town in Maryland overrun by those people so much that Americans are moving out of my neighborhood. I know feel like an outsider and a foreigner here in the DC-Baltimore area where I lived for the past 15 years of my life. I'm not comfortable with the cultural changes....not that I am racist against newcomers but I no longer feel comfortable since the surrounding culture is now different. Its a very viceral effect for example when mix radio stations play less country music and more hip hop and Spanish music.

Also illegals come here to cheat the system, abuse welfare and live off our taxes, they bankrupt our schools and hospitals and Americans are forced to pay taxes to support them. A lot them are also not loyal to the United States and refuse to learn English and are not interested in being American.

Is illegal immigration under control in New York? Do ya'll have faith that Giuliani can be tough enough on this problem?
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:27 PM
 
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City mayors have little control over immigration. The responsibility is/was with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (now called United States Citizenship and Immigration Services).
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:30 PM
 
Location: 32082/07716/10028
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I wasn't sure if I should write this thread here....dont' want to cause an uproar, but Rudy Giuliani is one of my top choices for President in 2008.
you shouldn't post it here, it's off topic and irrelevant MODS PLEASE MOVE

like the other contributer added mayors of NYC have little to do with immigration issues, check some political forum for his current views of the issue
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:32 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I know there are political forums, but I was wondering about the experiences of New Yorkers regarding illegals under Giuliani. If he as mayor of New York did anything to crack down on the illegals living in and invading the city.

I thought a lot of mayors have a say in passing local laws that are very strict toward illegals, like the news out of Farmers Grove, Texas and Tulsa, Oklahoma. In the Texas case, they want to force people to prove citizenship or legal status before being allowed to buy a house. We need laws like this!
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:37 PM
 
Location: 32082/07716/10028
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I know there are political forums, but I was wondering about the experiences of New Yorkers regarding illegals under Giuliani. If he as mayor of New York did anything to crack down on the illegals living in and invading the city.

I thought a lot of mayors have a say in passing local laws that are very strict toward illegals, like the news out of Farmers Grove, Texas and Tulsa, Oklahoma. In the Texas case, they want to force people to prove citizenship or legal status before being allowed to buy a house. We need laws like this!
NYC didn't have many illegals from mexico in his time, only on the last few years have the mexicans invaded NYC, we had illegals from the carribean, europe and asia and it was never as big an issue as in other parts of the US
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:05 AM
 
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Giuliani since at least '94 has been very pro-illegal. He always talks about illegals having ID cards so we know who is here. Your post is appropriate I think, it's about immigration.
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:40 AM
 
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A tiger does not change his stripes.

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New York City’s sanctuary policy was created in 1989 by Mayor Ed Koch and upheld by every mayor succeeding him.
When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law.
The Twin Towers are gone and Giuliani is out of office, but the city’s policy of safe harbors for illegal immigrants stands.
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/21/rudys-real-bullst/

I can't say it any better than this.

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No, he has not flip-flopped. He is still an advocate for illegal aliens. He continues to support legal paths for illegal aliens. He continues to tie national security to granting shamnesty to illegals. He not so cleverly tries to disguise his support for illegal aliens, but he cannot disguise his record. He avoids most questions currently about illegal aliens. His law and order platform is hollow, since he has actively obstructed NY police from pursuing illegal aliens.
"If you come here, and you work hard, and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city."
Remember he filed a lawsuit and lost against the federal government against welfare reform legislation that required state and local authorities to report illegal aliens to the Immigration and Naturalization Service.The law stipulated that only citizens and certain legal immigrants were to receive food stamps and imposed financial penalties on states that did not verify the legal status of those applying for the stamps.
At the heart of the issue was an executive order by former New York City Mayor Ed Koch (D.) that had been reissued by successive Mayors David Dinkins (D.) and Giuliani. Executive Order 124 forbade city employees from telling federal authorities the immigration status of illegal aliens who sought social services.
“On Sept. 5, 2001, his handpicked charter-revision committee ruled that New York could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later, several visa overstayers participated in the most devastating attack on the city and the country in history.”

He is trying to backtrack now as a result of the backlash directed at the reform bill, which he is on record of supporting.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9121235AAaWbXh
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Giuliani is for open borders.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:39 PM
 
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Giuliani is for open borders.
Next to neoconservative in any encyclopedia or dictionary should be a picture of Rudy "the imperialist" Giuliani. ALL neocons want open borders; they wouldn’t be neocons otherwise.

The economy cannot be controlled without a wage-slave class and illegal immigrants will form the base of said class. Huge numbers of Americans will continue to become part of the class, and the neocon owners/rulers will finally have their labor mobility to be used as needed to ensure control of the economy, and to maintain a constant flow of cash into the hands of the ruling aristocracy. Closed borders will come when sustainable resources stretched too thin cause bubbles of uprising in the human resource pool. Neocon policy makers will find the comfort zone and stay within it so as not to create turmoil in the proletariat.

As can be seen, the way to circumvent the plan is to create closed borders NOW, thus preventing total neocon economic control.

We are seeing the development of a new type of socialism in which the government/mega-corp/military plutocracy will own and control, for all intents and purposes, America’s assets and the economy, and will produce and distribute as the central committee decides.

But they will continue to call it a democracy. And will want to spread it.

We need to rebuild the middle class, bring back manufacturing, and--as individuals--own and control more of America's assets than the newly-self-appointed aristocracy.

CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW!!! Assimilate, theorize, educate, prioritize, formulate, and hypothesize. Get our ducks in a row to control the flow. Then open the gate without the hate.
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Old 07-23-2007, 03:38 PM
 
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Giuliani will not win the republican nod. Primarily due to this very issue.
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