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Old 02-23-2011, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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If we build a 25 ft wall somebody will build a 26 ft ladder or dig a tunnel.
A wall would still stop most illegals. Especialy if there were military with guns.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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If we build a 25 ft wall somebody will build a 26 ft ladder or dig a tunnel.
Somebody might but do you actually think that thousands per day would try it which is how many are crossing our borders each day now? The double layed wall with a road in between the two walls for the BP to pass through is what was proposed. Are they going to drag that ladder over the first wall with the BP on the road and then try to make it over the second wall? Somehow I doubt that many would try that at least not without being caught.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Since Sept. 2001, 113 tunnels have been discovered.

America's Third War: Uncovering Border Tunnels - FoxNews.com
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:47 AM
 
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Since Sept. 2001, 113 tunnels have been discovered.

America's Third War: Uncovering Border Tunnels - FoxNews.com
And now we have tunnel building detection technology.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:50 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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If the wall is high enough you don't need military to stay there since they won't be able to get over it, unless they will be dropped off with a helicopter...

People who come here and work while being an illegal are also people who committed theft and/or fraud to get an ID.
Do you really think its possible to build a continous 2,200 mile fence along the southren border? Have you ever been to the southren border...Have you ever seen the land down there?

If if you think its possible, what do you think the cost would be per mile?



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But Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said a wall running the length of a border would cost too much. A 2,000 mile state-of-the-art border fence has been estimated to cost between four and eight billion dollars. Costs for a wall that would run the entire length of the border might be as low as $851 million for a standard 10-foot prison chain link fence topped by razor wire. For another $362 million, the fence could be electrified. A larger 12-foot tall, two-foot-thick concrete wall painted on both sides would run about $2 billion. Initially it was estimated that the San Diego fence would cost $14 million -- about $1 million a mile. The first 11 miles of the fence eventually cost $42 million -- $3.8 million per mile, and the last 3.5 miles may cost even more since they cover more difficult terrain. An additional $35 million to complete the final 3.5 miles was approved in 2005 by the Department of Homeland Security -- $10 million per mile.
Michael Chertoff was the head of Homeland security under Bush.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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Do you really think its possible to build a continous 2,200 mile fence along the southren border? Have you ever been to the southren border...Have you ever seen the land down there?

If if you think its possible, what do you think the cost would be per mile?





Michael Chertoff was the head of Homeland security under Bush.
There never was a plan to build a 2,200 foot wall along our southern border. It just needs to built along the most porous parts of the border to assist the BP and to deter illegal immigration so they have to try and cross at more difficult areas. Those areas are where we need the bulk of our BP placed.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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While a wall is a good plan to start... it's not effective by itself. Running a military force along the entire border is prohibitively expensive over time.

The best solution: DMZ.

Cover the first half mile inward of the border with land mines and automated machine gun turrets. Simple and effective, anyone that attempts to cross ends up splattered across the desert. Any tunnelers won't be making it more than a half mile underground without collapse or triggering mines. After the first dozen people get blown up... problem is solved, nobody will attempt to cross afterwards.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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While a wall is a good plan to start... it's not effective by itself. Running a military force along the entire border is prohibitively expensive over time.

The best solution: DMZ.

Cover the first half mile inward of the border with land mines and automated machine gun turrets. Simple and effective, anyone that attempts to cross ends up splattered across the desert. Any tunnelers won't be making it more than a half mile underground without collapse or triggering mines. After the first dozen people get blown up... problem is solved, nobody will attempt to cross afterwards.
No need for that. The Berlin wall was quite nasty adn parts of it only a took 100 feet of land.

Berlin Wall
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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If we build a 25 ft wall somebody will build a 26 ft ladder or dig a tunnel.
That's why I much prefer 2 rows of razor wire with about 10,000 mines located randomly in between them. Should be a lot more effective at keeping out criminals.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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A wall is a terrible idea for America. The country is not unified, so as soon as the wall is built 100 politicians would be trying to give their own "tear down this wall" speech.

The simple way to resolve it is to deny all rights. Take away the ability to work, attend school, go to a hospital or talk to police/fire department and you will find they leave. If cops check for legality 100% of the time they stop a person or a person files a police report and has them deported immediately after finding an illegal the problem is solved quickly.

Cheap, simple and effective.
i have to somewhat agree with this post. Besides, won't we spend most of our time filling up the tunnels dug under the wall....?
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