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Old 02-24-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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[QUOTE]At a time when one-in-eight students in Arizona qualify for English language services, the state has made controversial and—according to the federal government—possibly unlawful changes to its language education program.[/quote]

1 in 8?

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Researchers and educators fear Arizona's program will have a detrimental impact on the growing population of English Language Learner (ELL) students in Arizona schools.
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"Arizona's ELL program is a Draconian way to force children to learn English in a year, which is stupid and contrary to research," said Carlos Ovando, an ASU professor and scholar who has co-authored several books on Arizona's ELL programs.

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The program, known as Structured English Immersion, is designed to accelerate the language acquisition process. No similar program requiring students to spend four hours per day learning English structure, grammar and writing exists in the country.
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In accordance with this new program, English learner students spend four hours every day learning English. State Department of Education officials say the goal of Arizona's concentrated four-hour English training is to make students English proficient in one year. However, critics of this methodology point to research that suggests it takes the average person five to six years to become proficient in another language.
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"The state implements these laws for political reasons with very little scientific backing," said ASU professor and researcher Laida Restrepo. "It gets people elected and it gives the politician brownie points, but it is not rooted in science."
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"EL students are not gaining proficiency in English in one year as promised by the new four-hour English Language Development block to which these students are assigned," according to one of the UCLA studies. In fact, the research suggests that the approach damages student development by segregating ELL students from their English-speaking peers in what the study derisively refers to as "Mexican Rooms." In Arizona more than 80 percent of English language learner students are Latinos, according to the study
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Moreover, the same study found that segregation from non-ELL students significantly affected student achievement. The UCLA researchers discovered that the greater the degree of segregation between ELL and non-ELL students, the greater the variance in achievement gaps between the groups of students.
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Simple solution, keep these children out of public school until they at least can speak the language and be in classes with the rest of the students. Basic language skills are the parents responsibility, not the taxpayers.

The only shocking part about the article is the statement that 1 in 8 children in the state fall in this category.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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No other country would educate an illegal population to the detriment of its own. And we wonder why our students rank so low on the global education scale. Once a world leader, we are now steadily declining, with no end in the foreseeable future. How can our children be expected to excel, when they are forced to learn in classrooms with an ever-increasing number of non-English-speaking children?
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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Simple solution, keep these children out of public school until they at least can speak the language and be in classes with the rest of the students. Basic language skills are the parents responsibility, not the taxpayers.

The only shocking part about the article is the statement that 1 in 8 children in the state fall in this category.
The problem is that so many of these kids are the offspring of illegal aliens and the parents don't speak English themselves. Only Spanish is spoken in the home.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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Thats why they need to be deported, they are only creating problems
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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Thats why they need to be deported, they are only creating problems
Or at least denied an education in our country. I know, now I will have to hear about the Constitution again by our resident pro-illegals. Well that is just another thing that we need to get amended.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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The problem is that so many of these kids are the offspring of illegal aliens and the parents don't speak English themselves. Only Spanish is spoken in the home.
Not my problem. The parents should then pay for private education (tutors) to bring them to a basic level of proficiency before they enter a public class room.

If I elect to move to Mexico, I wouldn't expect the Mexican taxpayer to develop special english-only classes all the way through their school system to educate my children. It would be my responsibility to ensure they had a basic graps of the language.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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Any public program funded by tax payers should be screened for illegals

Any illegal that can't speak English should be denied attending Public schools.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Any public program funded by tax payers should be screened for illegals

Any illegal that can't speak English should be denied attending Public schools.
Any parent registering their kids for school should be checked for legality in our country. If you you or your kids are not legally in our country then ICE needs to be notified rather than admitting these kids into our schools.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake;18011485[COLOR=red
]Simple solution[/color], keep these children out of public school until they at least can speak the language and be in classes with the rest of the students. Basic language skills are the parents responsibility, not the taxpayers.

The only shocking part about the article is the statement that 1 in 8 children in the state fall in this category.
Kinda defeats the purpose of a school/education...if you have to learn the material before you go. you think?

Even simpler solution...let the program progress. The state has the right to develop its curriculum. so long as it follows federal guidelines, there is no problem. The proof will be in the outcome.

Az offers more time for EL classes beyond the one year suggestion. Funded by the state. The kids are in school learning.

Its win-win all the way around...
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