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Old 03-04-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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It seems that Calderón and his buddy Obama have some
kind of agenda besides what they were elected to do

Obama has had two plus years and Calderón longer to
have put an end to this but have chosen not to it's really
pretty clear
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Old 03-04-2011, 05:09 PM
 
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We send billions and personal but now he's going to
follow Mexican law

"There are laws in place in Mexico that say that our agents should not be armed," Obama said, describing the U.S. role south of the border as an "advisory" one. "We do not carry out law enforcement activities inside of Mexico
Read more: Obama: No Arming of U.S. Agents in Mexico - FoxNews.com
Can you please provide a source that states we give Mexico BILLIONS? While I agree that we send money to help fight drug trafficking, it is practically nothing compared to what Mexicans are putting in for the cause. NOTHING. I'm not on their side, I'm just stating the truth. We then turn around and give thousands of fire arms to drug smugglers making it more difficult for Mexico to fight drug trafficking. If Mexican agents and citizens, by law, cannot carry fire arms, why should the law be lifted to U.S. agents? We still don't know what these agents were doing in the interior of Mexico. I don't think ICE agents should take the place of FBI, DEA, etc.

We should not be placing these agent's safety at risk. I agree that much with Benicar.
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Old 03-04-2011, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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The US contribution to The Merida Initiative alone...........

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The U.S. Congress has now authorized $1.6 usd billion for the three-year initiative (2007-2010). The U.S. Congress approved $465 million in the first year, which includes $400 million for Mexico and $65 million for Central America, the Dominican Republic, and Haiti. For the second year, Congress approved $300 million for Mexico and $110 million for Central America, the Dominican Republic and Haiti. A FY09 supplemental appropriation is providing an additional $420 million for Mexico; and $450 million for Mexico and $100 million for Central America has been requested for FY10
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Old 03-04-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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I found this link that says we gave Mexico a ONE time, HALF of ONE billion dollars for the drug war. That is still no where near the amount of money Mexicans are putting into fight the war against drugs. see at 1:40

Obama, Calderon cite cooperation, challenges in talks - CNN.com

Then we have our country aiding Mexican drug traffickers by giving them the same fire arms that are killing Mexican citizens, Mexican police and now a U.S. agent.
Talk about corruption!

Agent: ATF partly to blame for Mexico violence - CBS News Video

both of these are videos...
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Old 03-06-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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It seems to me that Calderon and Mexico are looking to place some blame on the U.S. for the war going on in Mexico. They don't want to accept responsibility for what is going on down there so they have amped up their accusations towards us. Yes, people smoke weed here and do meth, but how does it get here? This whole "demand for drugs" approach is an excuse.

Also, how can Calderon be upset with what was written in the U.S. cables about Mexico? We (people observing the situation) have always said that Mexico really sucks in the department of handling its responsibilities on the border, with its drug war, and with cooperation with our U.S. agencies. So ... what's new? It's not like this view of the Mexican government wasn't obvious. Calderon is a very sneaky man, I feel and he is playing mind games with the U.S. government and Washington, that is all this is. He is insecure right now and insecure Presidents are not good. They get shifty-eyes and get the shakes when it comes to their neighbors and other countries.

Oh and I think that the meetings with Calderon should be recorded with video and audio so that the we can hear what they talked about. When Calderon comes here, there is no telling what is discussed and demanded. We don't know how President Obama will respond to any of Calderon's threats or demands.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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I found this link that says we gave Mexico a ONE time, HALF of ONE billion dollars for the drug war. That is still no where near the amount of money Mexicans are putting into fight the war against drugs. see at 1:40

Obama, Calderon cite cooperation, challenges in talks - CNN.com

Then we have our country aiding Mexican drug traffickers by giving them the same fire arms that are killing Mexican citizens, Mexican police and now a U.S. agent.
Talk about corruption!

Agent: ATF partly to blame for Mexico violence - CBS News Video

both of these are videos...
Doesn't Mexico have a border? Doesn't it have customs agents? We're really not stopping them from enforcing their own laws on what comes into Mexico.

And that is their same excuse for why they bring drugs over the border, not their problem.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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Doesn't Mexico have a border? Doesn't it have customs agents? We're really not stopping them from enforcing their own laws on what comes into Mexico.

And that is their same excuse for why they bring drugs over the border, not their problem.
You are right malamute. It goes both ways. Only that the Mexican government does not, to my knowledge, have an official operation, to bring in Mexicans illegally. We have known for years that individuals Mexicans cross the border. We have known for years that individual U.S. citizens buy drugs but not until now, we find out about the U.S. DOJ and the ATF's involvement in providing fire arms to Mexican drug cartels. Should Mexican agents be checking on their side of the border? Of course... but it makes it very difficult for Mexico to win a violent war. Grenades have been found to come in through from El Salvador, made in the US and sold to El Salvador.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:07 PM
 
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<<This whole "demand for drugs" approach is an excuse.>>

I can't figure how it's the fault of the US that drugs are coming north, because the demand is here, and it's also our fault that guns are going south, when the demand is in Mexico.
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:59 AM
 
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<<This whole "demand for drugs" approach is an excuse.>>

I can't figure how it's the fault of the US that drugs are coming north, because the demand is here, and it's also our fault that guns are going south, when the demand is in Mexico.
Its supply and demand...economics 101. If Americans want drugs, guess what, the cartels are going to do anything in their power to get across the border. It doesnt matter how many Mexican police they kill on their way there. Americans on the other hand are providing them with the guns to kill as many that confront the cartels. Its a loosing battle for Mexico when they are spending billions to get the country rid of the drug cartels. Not to mention that both Mexican agents and US agents are bribed at the border.
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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Its supply and demand...economics 101. If Americans want drugs, guess what, the cartels are going to do anything in their power to get across the border. It doesnt matter how many Mexican police they kill on their way there. Americans on the other hand are providing them with the guns to kill as many that confront the cartels. Its a loosing battle for Mexico when they are spending billions to get the country rid of the drug cartels. Not to mention that both Mexican agents and US agents are bribed at the border.
It's greed and it's evil. What on earth kind of nation would want to make it's living on destroying the lives of people by poisoning them with drugs?

It's a special kind of greed that makes for a drug trafficker. Money is so important that they will knowingly addict even children. The drug traffickers have zero regard for life, obviously take delight in destroying our inner cities, more and more our suburbs and rural regions.

And the reality is the drug trade brings in many billions of dollars, the cartels have no need to fight over the money, there's more than enough to go around but these people are greedy beyond belief. That money means more to them than anything, certainly more than the thousands of their own people who have died for the cause. They will watch their own children be filled with bullet holes before they will let loose of any of their money.
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