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Old 07-24-2007, 09:59 AM
 
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I apologize in advance if I happen to repeat any points already said ad nauseam because I don't often visit this particular forum. But a reference to immigration on the MD forum inspired me to do some thinking. It occurred to me that perhaps one solution to the illegal immigration problem might be similar to what I also believe should be done about the illegal drug problem.

While it may be commonly agreed upon that recreational use of illegal drugs is wrong and justifiably punishable. However, the net gain of decreased drug use seems to be negligible at best, IMO. If the focus were shifted to the suppliers - from the street-level dealers to the "crime bosses" who organize the trafficking into the country - then demand might decrease dramatically.

On a similar note, while detaining and/or deporting illegal immigrants might seem to be the "obvious" thing to do, perhaps a better target to focus on would be those individuals and businesses who hire them "under the table" or who otherwise don't verify their employees' information. Make the cost in fines and/or jail time so prohibitive that those entities won't dare hire anyone who doesn't have a legal right to work here. Then once the demand for that labor goes down, most if not all of the illegal immigrants may return home.

Just a thought.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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And a much better use of manpower in my opinion.

Since most of these folks are coming here because employers make it so easy for them to work without the inconvenient necessity of proving they are legally able to do so, go after the employers with a vengance.

Deportation through attrition.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:12 AM
 
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I apologize in advance if I happen to repeat any points already said ad nauseam because I don't often visit this particular forum. But a reference to immigration on the MD forum inspired me to do some thinking. It occurred to me that perhaps one solution to the illegal immigration problem might be similar to what I also believe should be done about the illegal drug problem.

While it may be commonly agreed upon that recreational use of illegal drugs is wrong and justifiably punishable. However, the net gain of decreased drug use seems to be negligible at best, IMO. If the focus were shifted to the suppliers - from the street-level dealers to the "crime bosses" who organize the trafficking into the country - then demand might decrease dramatically.

On a similar note, while detaining and/or deporting illegal immigrants might seem to be the "obvious" thing to do, perhaps a better target to focus on would be those individuals and businesses who hire them "under the table" or who otherwise don't verify their employees' information. Make the cost in fines and/or jail time so prohibitive that those entities won't dare hire anyone who doesn't have a legal right to work here. Then once the demand for that labor goes down, most if not all of the illegal immigrants may return home.

Just a thought.
Your idea is brilliant, but unfortunately, someone beat you to it many years ago. The fact is that jailing and fining employers would be politically unacceptable, and no one in authority would try it. If arresting and deporting illegals is controversial, then prosecuting businessmen would be many times more so......
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:26 AM
 
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I apologize in advance if I happen to repeat any points already said ad nauseam because I don't often visit this particular forum. But a reference to immigration on the MD forum inspired me to do some thinking. It occurred to me that perhaps one solution to the illegal immigration problem might be similar to what I also believe should be done about the illegal drug problem.

While it may be commonly agreed upon that recreational use of illegal drugs is wrong and justifiably punishable. However, the net gain of decreased drug use seems to be negligible at best, IMO. If the focus were shifted to the suppliers - from the street-level dealers to the "crime bosses" who organize the trafficking into the country - then demand might decrease dramatically.

On a similar note, while detaining and/or deporting illegal immigrants might seem to be the "obvious" thing to do, perhaps a better target to focus on would be those individuals and businesses who hire them "under the table" or who otherwise don't verify their employees' information. Make the cost in fines and/or jail time so prohibitive that those entities won't dare hire anyone who doesn't have a legal right to work here. Then once the demand for that labor goes down, most if not all of the illegal immigrants may return home.

Just a thought.
I think this is a great idea. You should let your politicians know.


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Your idea is brilliant, but unfortunately, someone beat you to it many years ago. The fact is that jailing and fining employers would be politically unacceptable, and no one in authority would try it. If arresting and deporting illegals is controversial, then prosecuting businessmen would be many times more so......
Immigration officials have fined and jailed business people for hiring illegals. The law says it's unlawful to hire illegals. For enforcement purposes, it is no different from the law that says it is unlawful to smoke cocaine.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:34 AM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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I do my best to not buy from any companies that employee illegal immigrants. If I find a company is a foreigner and seems to only employee people from his own country I do not shop there. I also make sure I tell them why.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:57 AM
 
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Thanks for the kudos! I know it's not exactly an original idea as it's been done on a relatively small scale but I think it's worth revisiting. Since this is pretty much a political topic, I would hope that no one is offended when I say that I'm not too surprised that "pro-business" Bush had not offered this up as a part of his immigration plans.


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Your idea is brilliant, but unfortunately, someone beat you to it many years ago. The fact is that jailing and fining employers would be politically unacceptable, and no one in authority would try it. If arresting and deporting illegals is controversial, then prosecuting businessmen would be many times more so......
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:06 AM
 
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I think this is a great idea. You should let your politicians know.
Perhaps I will....



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Immigration officials have fined and jailed business people for hiring illegals. The law says it's unlawful to hire illegals. For enforcement purposes, it is no different from the law that says it is unlawful to smoke cocaine.
So are you saying that enacting adequate enforcement in both cases is challenging on both issues? If so, I agree.

For the record, I consider myself to be generally moderately progressive but I agree that this issue must be resolved. However, I think that, stereotypical rude behavior aside, that the illegal immigrants are just reacting to supply and demand and that the real people to blame are those Americans that hire them as well as perhaps the governments of native countries that have not addressed their economic issues.
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