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Old 03-09-2011, 08:03 AM
 
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You don't know any of us in this forum personally either and yet you made assumptions about those of us opposed to illegal immigration under this topic which prompted Malamute's response.
And therefore, YOUR statement: Many on this forum have little or no dealings with illegal immigrants or illegal immigrant communities. can only be true if YOU knew the posters on this sub forum personally, 1751texan.

Why are you allowed to make assumptions about others?
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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And therefore, YOUR statement: Many on this forum have little or no dealings with illegal immigrants or illegal immigrant communities. can only be true if YOU knew the posters on this sub forum personally, 1751texan.

Why are you allowed to make assumptions about others?
Those are not my remarks. They are Texan's remarks yet you quoted me? Maybe you just made quoted me by mistake?
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Old 03-09-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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You don't know any of us in this forum personally either and yet you made assumptions about those of us opposed to illegal immigration under this topic which prompted Malamute's response.
my assesment comes from reading hundreds of posts from as many posters over the years. I did not say all posters, or the majority of poster...I said many. I have no scientific proof, nor did I offer my statement as a a proven fact...only as an assesment of obsevations of this sub-forum.

and yet again..if this statement doesnt apply to you, then you're not one of the many.
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Old 03-09-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I have compassion for all less fortunate, but I will not condone ID theft and fraud, or the myriad other crimes illegals commit to remain here.
I am for respecting the law. I do not accept them either. I am simply saying that there people, not all of course, that truly may resort to do whatever to survive. Not, condoning. I have seen how we as Americans do break law left and write to get what we want. I see it everyday. Am I saying all do that? No. However, I have no doubt that even in this forum there are so many on their high horse of morality and yet have broken laws left and right. I have my share in life. That does not mean I do not try to be better and better as I grow older. Also, that does not mean I condone breaking the law because I have done it myself. However, when I talk about others that do, I do not get on a high horse when I do so as I see many in many debates.
Nor do I believe for one minute the majority of illegals would have starved had they not come to this country. Are you not aware of the obesity epidemic in Mexico? The obese are not starving.
All all mexican obese and starving? No. Not at all. I lived in Mexico and I now live in border town and I have seen many that do not fit the picture you display here. Did I ever claim the majority are starving? No, so your comment is irrelevant as a reply.

There’s a huge difference between someone stealing food to feed their starving children, and people paying thousands of dollars to be illegally escorted into another country for personal gain.
Some of those people should stay where they are if they are able to save thousands of dollars. I am with you there.

In case you don’t know, many illegals are here simply to earn enough money to return to Mexico and start a business or build a mansion.
True and I have seen some of those too. Does that negate that others are not truly in dire conditions? Not in my book.

Others had jobs, but chose to come here for a pay increase, and to avail themselves of our tax-funded benefits. While others are here solely to give birth to a U.S. citizen, and collect government handouts.
True also. I am with you. However, there are others that are truly in dire situations. That also exists. Do you deny that?

I won’t even get started on the miscreants. You cannot generalize. Each illegal has a different reason for being here, and they are not all here out of desperation.
When did ever generalize? Show me where I did but for now your comment is irrelevant because I do not believe I did. Where did I say all are out here out of desperation? No, I did not say that so that comment is also irrelevant.

BTW, I have never cheated on my taxes, nor have I ever shoplifted or committed theft in any form. We are not all cheats and thieves.
Glad to hear that. I am proud of you. I go with the premise that you are telling the truth. Again, I never said all are cheats and thieves. Go and re-read my message when I wrote it. Read closely, OK? Take care.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Dear Mrs. A,

Please dont generalize the the actions of a non-homogenous group. It is incorrect when the anit-immigrant groups lable all illegal aliens in all the varied negative adjectives to try to bolster their argument.

Illegal immigrants come from all over the world, with differing intentions and expectations. The only thing they all have in common is that they entered the country without proper authorizatrion or remained in the country past their athorization. All other generalization on the positive or negative are conjecture.

Let your personal contact and experience be your guide. Many on this forum have little or no dealings with illegal immigrants or illegal immigrant communities. Their information is second-hand at best; with conjecture and mis-information as thier souce knowledge. Many mistakingly equate latino with illegal alien. Many base their "experiences" in dealing with persons they cant even positivly...be for sure, are American citizens, naturalized citizens, visa holders, illegals, or foreigners on vacation.

Assumptions abound on this forum...
Assuming that the other posters are only making assumptions, makes a person pretty much of a hypocrit.
You have no clue to who on this forum has been affected or has experienced illegal immigration.
I lived in a community in S California for 25 years. Within the last 10 yr's, I watched that community change from all homeowners to squatters and illegal aliens. I was one of the last Citizens to close shop and move out.

I wish that illegal immigration was nothing an assumption. Because then, I'd still be in S California running a business.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Glad to hear that. I am proud of you. I go with the premise that you are telling the truth. Again, I never said all are cheats and thieves. Go and re-read my message when I wrote it. Read closely, OK? Take care.
You inserted your responses into my quote. Sorry, but I don’t feel like going through the trouble of copying and pasting your responses, so this is all that appears from your reply.

I mentioned Mexico’s obesity epidemic, which indicates, for the most part, they are overeating. I did not say they are ALL obese, nor did I imply that you consider them ALL in a state of starvation. However, you did say they are “desperately feeding their families” by coming here, did you not? That, in my opinion, indicates they are unable to feed their families at home.

“Dire conditions” is relative and subjective. I have witnessed the poverty in Mexico, and while many are lacking some of the modern conveniences we take for granted, and would indeed be considered dirt poor, when compared with the abject poverty and starvation found in other regions of the world, such as, Darfur, or even Haiti, I doubt most Mexicans would want to trade places.

If we are going to offer refuge to the truly impoverished, I would prefer we help those actually starving and dying on a daily basis, not simply improve the living conditions of our poor neighbors. After all, we also have a huge population of U.S. citizens living in poverty.

As mentioned on numerous occasions, Mexico is not a poor country. The primary problem with Mexico is its culture of corruption, and the greed and insensitivity of its oligarchy. While I certainly can empathize with Mexico’s underclass, fleeing to the U.S. is not the solution. As long as they run from their problems, Mexico will never improve.

In my opinion, we should help those in imminent danger, and those willing to help themselves; not simply serve as an enabler for escapism, and a safety valve for the corrupt government of a foreign nation. Perhaps if more Mexicans remained in Mexico and fought for change, Mexico could actually improve, and more U.S. citizens would be willing to lend a helping hand. But, again, I will not embrace their willful violation of our laws. Nor will I justify or defend their actions. That doesn’t mean I’m on a high horse. It simply means I will not compromise my principles, or allow others to put me on a guilt trip to suit their agenda.

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Old 03-09-2011, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Those are not my remarks. They are Texan's remarks yet you quoted me? Maybe you just made quoted me by mistake?
It looks like cindy_jole was adding her comment with yours.

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Old 03-09-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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It looks like cindy_jole was adding her comment with yours.
Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure what she was doing.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure what she was doing.
Sorry, should have quoted 1751texan as well. I was addressing her hypocrisy and adding on to what you wrote
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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Sorry, should have quoted 1751texan as well. I was addressing her hypocrisy and adding on to what you wrote
No problem. I do get confused in my old age, lol.
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