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As a LEGAL migrant I am very offended by your willingness to equate lawbreaking push to the front of the line illegals with those of us who are striving the RIGHT way towards eventual citizenship............
And yes some people ARE just selfish and self involved and yes, I AM looking at you.
I also find it selfish of those violating our immigration laws to make a better life for themselves while reducing the quality of life for own our citizens and legal immigrants.
As a LEGAL migrant I am very offended by your willingness to equate lawbreaking push to the front of the line illegals with those of us who are striving the RIGHT way towards eventual citizenship............
And yes some people ARE just selfish and self involved and yes, I AM looking at you.
What you fail to realize of your adopted home is that Amnesty is legal and never been challanged constitutionally. If you feel that Amensty must be changllanged and made unconstitutional, then work to that end.
When President Reagan last granted Amenesty, I dont believe naturalized citizen's "feelings" were a concern...
I feel very offended by this post and to be quite honest with this whole immigration sub section.
Illegal immigrants are here to work and to provide for their families just like all of you do. Not everyone is born on a silver platter and I can guarantee you that they work harder at making a living then you do. Sitting on a chair for 8 hours in a AC room... these people here work and are pleased to work for a minimum wage because they are hard earning people.
They are honest and that is why they say that they are here illegally because what other way are they here! duhhh
The latino community is big and alot of the illegal immigrants do the jobs that the "us citizens" wouldnt even bother at doing.
I am a US Citizen born and raised in CA and i just get so disguisted to see people talk about hard working individuals.
Some people are just self fish and self involved
I agree with you in the sense that some people do talk in demeaning terms about many of those people. They do so for many reasons. I also think that many of them would break a law to feed their families but since many of them have not experienced hardship as many of them it is easy to judge them. I have no doubt many in this and other forums have cheated on their taxes, shoplifted from a store, or done some other criminal things that have nothing to do with desperatelly feeding their families and yet are here on a high moral ground judging them. In other words some take this holier than thoug attitude.
Now, where I do not agree with you is that the U.S. is not a social program to give jobs to the needy of the world. The priority is taking care of our own. The U.S. should have programs for people from other parts of the world to apply to come and work and in some case come and make this their home. To me the criteria should be the skills this country needs, not to unite families or to give jobs to the people in need, take care.
please dont generalize the the actions of a non-homogenous group. It is incorrect when the anit-immigrant groups lable all illegal aliens in all the varied negative adjectives to try to bolster their argument.
Illegal immigrants come from all over the world, with differing intentions and expectations. The only thing they all have in common is that they entered the country without proper authorizatrion or remained in the country past their athorization. All other generalization on the positive or negative are conjecture.
Let your personal contact and experience be your guide. Many on this forum have little or no dealings with illegal immigrants or illegal immigrant communities. Their information is second-hand at best; with conjecture and mis-information as thier souce knowledge. Many mistakingly equate latino with illegal alien. Many base their "experiences" in dealing with persons they cant even positivly...be for sure, are american citizens, naturalized citizens, visa holders, illegals, or foreigners on vacation.
you are new. ive been here long enough to know that level headed posters in this forum are few and far between.
wait a while. you will see all kinds of silly generalizations and regurgitated chain letter type of information. or dont wait, go check out the multitude of locked threads...
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Originally Posted by Cindy_Jole
Yeah....speaking of assumptions??? What's with the hypocrisy?
I agree with you in the sense that some people do talk in demeaning terms about many of those people. They do so for many reasons. I also think that many of them would break a law to feed their families but since many of them have not experienced hardship as many of them it is easy to judge them. I have no doubt many in this and other forums have cheated on their taxes, shoplifted from a store, or done some other criminal things that have nothing to do with desperatelly feeding their families and yet are here on a high moral ground judging them. In other words some take this holier than thoug attitude.
Now, where I do not agree with you is that the U.S. is not a social program to give jobs to the needy of the world. The priority is taking care of our own. The U.S. should have programs for people from other parts of the world to apply to come and work and in some case come and make this their home. To me the criteria should be the skills this country needs, not to unite families or to give jobs to the people in need, take care.
I have compassion for all less fortunate, but I will not condone ID theft and fraud, or the myriad other crimes illegals commit to remain here. Nor do I believe for one minute the majority of illegals would have starved had they not come to this country. Are you not aware of the obesity epidemic in Mexico? The obese are not starving.
There’s a huge difference between someone stealing food to feed their starving children, and people paying thousands of dollars to be illegally escorted into another country for personal gain. In case you don’t know, many illegals are here simply to earn enough money to return to Mexico and start a business or build a mansion. Others had jobs, but chose to come here for a pay increase, and to avail themselves of our tax-funded benefits. While others are here solely to give birth to a U.S. citizen, and collect government handouts. I won’t even get started on the miscreants. You cannot generalize. Each illegal has a different reason for being here, and they are not all here out of desperation.
BTW, I have never cheated on my taxes, nor have I ever shoplifted or committed theft in any form. We are not all cheats and thieves.
Please dont generalize the the actions of a non-homogenous group. It is incorrect when the anit-immigrant groups lable all illegal aliens in all the varied negative adjectives to try to bolster their argument.
Illegal immigrants come from all over the world, with differing intentions and expectations. The only thing they all have in common is that they entered the country without proper authorizatrion or remained in the country past their athorization. All other generalization on the positive or negative are conjecture.
Let your personal contact and experience be your guide. Many on this forum have little or no dealings with illegal immigrants or illegal immigrant communities. Their information is second-hand at best; with conjecture and mis-information as thier souce knowledge. Many mistakingly equate latino with illegal alien. Many base their "experiences" in dealing with persons they cant even positivly...be for sure, are American citizens, naturalized citizens, visa holders, illegals, or foreigners on vacation.
Assumptions abound on this forum...
For once I agree with you but only partially.
Illegals come with different intentions and expectations. That is true.
There really are some who leave their families back home and come to get a little money ahead and will work for anything they get. They will take low paying jobs that obviously couldn't support their families here in this country where the cost of living is very high, but they can support their families if they leave them home - but that's really not a good situation because kids need their parents in the home, some things are more important than money.
It's not good when the leaders of a country don't see that and actually encourage parents to leave their children and work 3000-4000 miles away from them.
Of course as we all know there are illegals who came over by making a mad dash over the border just in time to give birth or came over with a couple months to go, or who had to wait the whole 9 months before they could give birth and then hop on over to the welfare office and start getting all their nice government handouts - and welfare was their main reason in coming. And that generally includes those who take the low wages and then proceed to have children they know full well they can't support here with the high cost of living and are perfectly happy living off Medicaid, food stamps, in government housing and the rest.
And any one with half a brain also knows that many illegals are here working for their very violent and greedy cartels and that illegals make up a large part of the vast drug running networks, but obviously not just the illegals, many legals are part of that also.
You're wrong that people on this board have no familiarity with illegals. That's actually more true of the Pollyanna types who think it's all one big positive that we have unlimited ultra-cheap labor for the elites and corporations and that there are no downsides whatsoever in any way.
Illegals come with different intentions and expectations. That is true.
There really are some who leave their families back home and come to get a little money ahead and will work for anything they get. They will take low paying jobs that obviously couldn't support their families here in this country where the cost of living is very high, but they can support their families if they leave them home - but that's really not a good situation because kids need their parents in the home, some things are more important than money.
It's not good when the leaders of a country don't see that and actually encourage parents to leave their children and work 3000-4000 miles away from them.
Of course as we all know there are illegals who came over by making a mad dash over the border just in time to give birth or came over with a couple months to go, or who had to wait the whole 9 months before they could give birth and then hop on over to the welfare office and start getting all their nice government handouts - and welfare was their main reason in coming. And that generally includes those who take the low wages and then proceed to have children they know full well they can't support here with the high cost of living and are perfectly happy living off Medicaid, food stamps, in government housing and the rest.
And any one with half a brain also knows that many illegals are here working for their very violent and greedy cartels and that illegals make up a large part of the vast drug running networks, but obviously not just the illegals, many legals are part of that also.
You're wrong that people on this board have no familiarity with illegals. That's actually more true of the Pollyanna types who think it's all one big positive that we have unlimited ultra-cheap labor for the elites and corporations and that there are no downsides whatsoever in any way.
Illegals come with different intentions and expectations. That is true.
There really are some who leave their families back home and come to get a little money ahead and will work for anything they get. They will take low paying jobs that obviously couldn't support their families here in this country where the cost of living is very high, but they can support their families if they leave them home - but that's really not a good situation because kids need their parents in the home, some things are more important than money.
It's not good when the leaders of a country don't see that and actually encourage parents to leave their children and work 3000-4000 miles away from them.
Of course as we all know there are illegals who came over by making a mad dash over the border just in time to give birth or came over with a couple months to go, or who had to wait the whole 9 months before they could give birth and then hop on over to the welfare office and start getting all their nice government handouts - and welfare was their main reason in coming. And that generally includes those who take the low wages and then proceed to have children they know full well they can't support here with the high cost of living and are perfectly happy living off Medicaid, food stamps, in government housing and the rest.
And any one with half a brain also knows that many illegals are here working for their very violent and greedy cartels and that illegals make up a large part of the vast drug running networks, but obviously not just the illegals, many legals are part of that also.
You're wrong that people on this board have no familiarity with illegals. That's actually more true of the Pollyanna types who think it's all one big positive that we have unlimited ultra-cheap labor for the elites and corporations and that there are no downsides whatsoever in any way.
I understand all the points you make, but the highlighted portion of your statement can only be true if you knew the posters on this sub forum personally.
I dont know what percentage of posters have dealings with illegal aliens, and I dont think that point is the main point[or is a very important point] I made. Where ever the poster's ideas on Immigration reform stands; In order to have a valid discussion,working for reform, its important to all not to generalize[in the positive or negative]... is my ultimate point.
I understand all the points you make, but the highlighted portion of your statement can only be true if you knew the posters on this sub forum personally.
I dont know what percentage of posters have dealings with illegal aliens, and I dont think that point is the main point[or is a very important point] I made. Where ever the poster's ideas on Immigration reform stands; In order to have a valid discussion,working for reform, its important to all not to generalize[in the positive or negative]... is my ultimate point.
You don't know any of us in this forum personally either and yet you made assumptions about those of us opposed to illegal immigration under this topic which prompted Malamute's response.
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