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Old 03-07-2011, 04:58 PM
 
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It would cost no more than what it costs to have a baby, and hire someone for a job. Document their existence, after doing a background check. Far less than the taxes on the home they occupy.

Besides, they have the jobs anyway. That's another thing we need to get tougher with. Off the books employment.

Yes, they did commit a crime. ...but the punishment must fit the crime.

Making them citizens, AFTER fixing our borders, and coming down hard on employers who pay off the books, should result in a win for the taxpayer.
The punishment does fit the crime. The "punishment" is deportation for violating our immigration laws. Seems fair to me.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:12 PM
 
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I have to ask. Is II still a big problem? Who in their right mind would swim a river or jump a fence to come HERE looking for a "better" life?

If they stayed in Mexico, their chances of being hired by a US corp are probably about double that of here.

As for the ones that are already here? Give them citizenship, and force them to pay taxes. However give them "special" citizenship. The kind where if you are caught evading taxes, you're jailed for a period of time and then deported.

I'll trade their tax money for their good-bye any day of the week.
They don't have welfare handouts in Mexico like they can find here. That's why in spite of very high unemployment in the USA, they're pouring over the border.

And the fact is they come here to lower wages and with their very low wages and extremely high birth rates, most would get money back in the form of EITC and child tax credits.
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:55 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I didn’t say they wouldn’t work. I said they would not earn enough to add to our tax base, along with the current 47% of employed non-taxpaying U.S. citizens. Understand?
Paying taxes and paying federal income taxes are two different things. Every consumer and worker pays taxes

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almost all Americans with some earned income do pay some federal taxes. However, the US also allows refundable tax credits to certain individuals, which can lower their income taxes below zero (giving them a "refund" for income taxes they never paid). When these refundable tax credits equal or exceed other federal taxes, the individual is said to pay "no net federal taxes".



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The federal income tax is only one of several taxes Americans pay. Some portion of those Americans who pay zero federal income taxes do pay other taxes, such as excise taxes, sales taxes, state income taxes, property taxes, and the self-employment/payroll taxes (a.k.a. FICA).
all employees can add to our tax base, exemptions and credits returned are the reasons for zero sum taxes...not low wages or non-payment.
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:04 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Also, Congress could pass laws resrticting all aliens gaining Naturalization through amnesty unable to claim credits such as EIC for X amount of years after Naturalization.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:19 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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It would cost no more than what it costs to have a baby, and hire someone for a job. Document their existence, after doing a background check. Far less than the taxes on the home they occupy.

Besides, they have the jobs anyway. That's another thing we need to get tougher with. Off the books employment.

Yes, they did commit a crime. ...but the punishment must fit the crime.

Making them citizens, AFTER fixing our borders, and coming down hard on employers who pay off the books, should result in a win for the taxpayer.


We already believed that like back in the 80s. Look what happened since then with that massive lie.


I don't think we are stupid enough to buy that one again.
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Paying taxes and paying federal income taxes are two different things. Every consumer and worker pays taxes




all employees can add to our tax base, exemptions and credits returned are the reasons for zero sum taxes...not low wages or non-payment.
The OP is of the opinion that legalizing illegal “workers” will increase our tax base. In case you don’t know, the ONLY required withholdings from an employee’s paycheck are payroll taxes, and we have already discussed the reasons illegals will not “earn” enough to make a difference.

If an illegal has $2,000 withheld in federal taxes, and receives a $3,000 refund from the IRS, they have contributed NOTHING. In fact, as indicated in your quoted statement, they actually “receive” MORE than they paid.

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almost all Americans with some earned income do pay some federal taxes. However, the US also allows refundable tax credits to certain individuals, which can lower their income taxes below zero (giving them a "refund" for income taxes they never paid). When these refundable tax credits equal or exceed other federal taxes, the individual is said to pay "no net federal taxes".
Sorry, but low-wage earners, particularly those with children, do NOT add to our tax base. Not to mention, they are also the primary group receiving government assistance.

Furthermore, if illegals are currently paying sales and property taxes, how will their legalization “increase” our tax base?
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Also, Congress could pass laws resrticting all aliens gaining Naturalization through amnesty unable to claim credits such as EIC for X amount of years after Naturalization.
Could? And, hell “could” freeze over. How will the government deny EITC to illegals, given that 76% of their children were born in this country? Get real.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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So you think that honest illegal immigrants who would register for citizenship if GIVEN THE CHANCE would not work to earn their keep?

How much do you think welfare pays anyway?

People who climb fences and swim rivers are not content to sit around. They're obviously motivated to find a better life. Why not help them get it, since they're ALREADY here and deporting them costs us money. That way we can pay for Obama's pipe dreams.
Welfare pays pretty well, considering the woman in this story is an IA:

Woman got welfare illegally for 9 kids | prosecutors, ramirez, husband - News - The Orange County Register
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Could? And, hell “could” freeze over. How will the government deny EITC to illegals, given that 76% of their children were born in this country? Get real.
What difference does it make that a child is American? the child is not the wage earner?

Just as congress implemented EIC, they can restrict it or abolish it. EIC is not a constitutional right.
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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What difference does it make that a child is American? the child is not the wage earner?

Just as congress implemented EIC, they can restrict it or abolish it. EIC is not a constitutional right.
No, but without “the child” an illegal wage earner cannot receive the EITC. Then again, I have learned not to underestimate the larcenous mindset of an illegal. They manage to find a way to circumvent ALL of our laws.
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