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Old 03-07-2011, 03:10 PM
 
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I have to ask. Is II still a big problem? Who in their right mind would swim a river or jump a fence to come HERE looking for a "better" life?

If they stayed in Mexico, their chances of being hired by a US corp are probably about double that of here.

As for the ones that are already here? Give them citizenship, and force them to pay taxes. However give them "special" citizenship. The kind where if you are caught evading taxes, you're jailed for a period of time and then deported.

I'll trade their tax money for their good-bye any day of the week.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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I have to ask. Is II still a big problem? Who in their right mind would swim a river or jump a fence to come HERE looking for a "better" life?

If they stayed in Mexico, their chances of being hired by a US corp are probably about double that of here.

As for the ones that are already here? Give them citizenship, and force them to pay taxes. However give them "special" citizenship. The kind where if you are caught evading taxes, you're jailed for a period of time and then deported.

I'll trade their tax money for their good-bye any day of the week
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And, you would be trading air.

It is estimated that 47% of U.S. citizens do not pay taxes due to their low earnings and tax credits. Why on earth would you think legalizing millions of uneducated, low-skilled, low-wage earning illegals would increase our tax base? If legalized, they would only swell our welfare rolls, not to mention Medicaid, and other tax-funded benefits. No thanks!
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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And, you would be trading air.

It is estimated that 47% of U.S. citizens do not pay taxes due to their low earnings and tax credits. Why on earth would you think legalizing millions of uneducated, low-skilled, low-wage earning illegals would increase our tax base? If legalized, they would only swell our welfare rolls, not to mention Medicaid, and other tax-funded benefits. No thanks!
Not to mention that if they were fired and deported Americans would get those jobs back at a higher and fairer wage possibly with benefits like healthcare and be paying into our tax coffers themselves.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:38 PM
 
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And, you would be trading air.

It is estimated that 47% of U.S. citizens do not pay taxes due to their low earnings and tax credits. Why on earth would you think legalizing millions of uneducated, low-skilled, low-wage earning illegals would increase our tax base? If legalized, they would only swell our welfare rolls, not to mention Medicaid, and other tax-funded benefits. No thanks!
So you think that honest illegal immigrants who would register for citizenship if GIVEN THE CHANCE would not work to earn their keep?

How much do you think welfare pays anyway?

People who climb fences and swim rivers are not content to sit around. They're obviously motivated to find a better life. Why not help them get it, since they're ALREADY here and deporting them costs us money. That way we can pay for Obama's pipe dreams.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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So you think that honest illegal immigrants who would register for citizenship if GIVEN THE CHANCE would not work to earn their keep?

How much do you think welfare pays anyway?

People who climb fences and swim rivers are not content to sit around. They're obviously motivated to find a better life. Why not help them get it, since they're ALREADY here and deporting them costs us money. That way we can pay for Obama's pipe dreams.
I didnít say they wouldnít work. I said they would not earn enough to add to our tax base, along with the current 47% of employed non-taxpaying U.S. citizens. Understand?
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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Why should those here illegally (not matter how "honest" you think they are) get citizenship ahead of those here doing it the LEGAL way, who actually ARE honestly jumping through all the hoops, paying their fees etc and waiting for the opportunity to apply for citizenship?

Citizenship is an earned privilege not a crackerjack prize.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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I didnít say they wouldnít work. I said they would not earn enough to add to our tax base, along with the current 47% of employed non-taxpaying U.S. citizens. Understand?
Fair enough.

However, everyone has to survive, right? Everyone has to spend a bare minimum to live in the US. Living in the US involves paying taxes. Sales tax for one. The poor, as a percentage of income, pay more than anyone else.

Then comes property taxes. Whether they own or rent, the taxes on their dwellings must be paid.

See what I mean? Throwing them out is a net loss, and it's not worth it. Instead, we should try to squeeze what we can from the ones that are here.

...and build a bigger fence.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:55 PM
 
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Fair enough.

However, everyone has to survive, right? Everyone has to spend a bare minimum to live in the US. Living in the US involves paying taxes. Sales tax for one. The poor, as a percentage of income, pay more than anyone else.

Then comes property taxes. Whether they own or rent, the taxes on their dwellings must be paid.

See what I mean? Throwing them out is a net loss, and it's not worth it. Instead, we should try to squeeze what we can from the ones that are here.

...and build a bigger fence.
Legalization would cost us far too much, and the benefit would be negligible. I prefer to put our unemployed back to work. Let Mexico and other countries provide jobs for their citizens. Plus, rewarding lawlessness only breeds more lawlessness.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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Legalization would cost us far too much, and the benefit would be negligible. I prefer to put our unemployed back to work. Let Mexico and other countries provide jobs for their citizens. Plus, rewarding lawlessness only breeds more lawlessness.
It would cost no more than what it costs to have a baby, and hire someone for a job. Document their existence, after doing a background check. Far less than the taxes on the home they occupy.

Besides, they have the jobs anyway. That's another thing we need to get tougher with. Off the books employment.

Yes, they did commit a crime. ...but the punishment must fit the crime.

Making them citizens, AFTER fixing our borders, and coming down hard on employers who pay off the books, should result in a win for the taxpayer.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:50 PM
 
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It would cost no more than what it costs to have a baby, and hire someone for a job. Document their existence, after doing a background check. Far less than the taxes on the home they occupy.

Besides, they have the jobs anyway. That's another thing we need to get tougher with. Off the books employment.

Yes, they did commit a crime. ...but the punishment must fit the crime.

Making them citizens, AFTER fixing our borders, and coming down hard on employers who pay off the books, should result in a win for the taxpayer.
Making them citizens isn't going to suddenly make them educated. They'll still be among the lowest earners in the country, and end up paying no income tax. They may pay sales tax, but they're not known for buying high end expensive items which generate a lot of tax. They may pay property tax through their rent, but they frequently live more than one family to a house, sharing the cost. That's supposing, of course, that they aren't in Section 8 housing, in which case the taxpayers pay the taxes.

As for having children, a baby born in this country makess that child a citizen, and eleigible for welfare, housing, utilities assistance, food stamps, and Medicaid. They will cost much more than they contribute.
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