As an employer, how do you not hire illegals? (illegal aliens, American, work)
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USCIS has taken steps to eliminate or decrease this rate of inaccurate authorizations. It is USCIS’ claim that most of these false authorizations are due to identity theft – as a result, USCIS is implementing a photo tool as part of E-Verify so that employers can match the photo of the documents submitted, with one in government records, and with the actual employee. Additionally, USCIS is attempting to integrate additional government databases to be able to provide more accurate and reliable information into E-Verify and increase its accuracy rate.
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This guy is just using examples. None of the advise given has even been tried, nor has any of these examples ever happened to this person.
It's all just a game to contradict each answer given, as if nothing works.
USCIS has taken steps to eliminate or decrease this rate of inaccurate authorizations. It is USCIS’ claim that most of these false authorizations are due to identity theft – as a result, USCIS is implementing a photo tool as part of E-Verify so that employers can match the photo of the documents submitted, with one in government records, and with the actual employee. Additionally, USCIS is attempting to integrate additional government databases to be able to provide more accurate and reliable information into E-Verify and increase its accuracy rate.
We've discussed this, that only works if the new hire provides a list A federally issued document (permanent resident card, work authorization card, U.S. Passport, etc.) All the new hire has to provide are a stolen driver's license and a stolen Social Security Card and the photo tool cannot be used. So sorry, the system can still be beaten, and very very easily at that.
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This guy is just using examples. None of the advise given has even been tried, nor has any of these examples ever happened to this person.
It's all just a game to contradict each answer given, as if nothing works.
Actually I spend alot of time investigating these cases and have spent enough time with it to know that it happens all-the-time. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's the truth. Most people who work with these processes with major U.S. corporations would tell you the same thing.
[quote=Slig;18425593]We've discussed this, that only works if the new hire provides a list A federally issued document (permanent resident card, work authorization card, U.S. Passport, etc.) All the new hire has to provide are a stolen driver's license and a stolen Social Security Card and the photo tool cannot be used. So sorry, the system can still be beaten, and very very easily at that.
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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We've discussed this, that only works if the new hire provides a list A federally issued document (permanent resident card, work authorization card, U.S. Passport, etc.)
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All the new hire has to provide are a stolen driver's license and a stolen Social Security Card and the photo tool cannot be used.
So sorry, the system can still be beaten, and very very easily at that.
And if the person being interviewed doesn't or can't provide this information, they shouldn't be hired, without exception.
I just find it odd that people on here confidently say they are able to run a business without hiring any illegals when it's basically impossible to do. Just because you use E-verify doesn't mean there aren't people who are being hired at your Company with a stolen ID. It would be more accurate for you to say that you do not knowingly hire them. I can assure you that pretty much every major corporation in America has illegal employees.
I can assure you that where I work there are no illegals employed. We do background checks on everyone employed, and for good reason. And how the hell is it IMPOSSIBLE (to you) to think nobody can run a business without hiring illegals?
We've discussed this, that only works if the new hire provides a list A federally issued document (permanent resident card, work authorization card, U.S. Passport, etc.) All the new hire has to provide are a stolen driver's license and a stolen Social Security Card and the photo tool cannot be used. So sorry, the system can still be beaten, and very very easily at that.
Where does it say that in the link I provided?
Do you base your life on what internet links tell you? Try actually using E-verify and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
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And if the person being interviewed doesn't or can't provide this information, they shouldn't be hired, without exception.
They must provide an acceptable list A document or acceptable list B and list C documents for the I-9 form to be correctly filled out. If they aren't able to do this they cannot be hired. However, that doesn't mean they can't get away with stolen/altered documents...which is easily done if they produce a list B state issued photo ID which E-verify won't have on file. That will effectively skip over the photo tool portion of E-verify.
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I can assure you that where I work there are no illegals employed. We do background checks on everyone employed, and for good reason. And how the hell is it IMPOSSIBLE (to you) to think nobody can run a business without hiring illegals?
Please explain this background check. How are you able to prevent somebody from being hired with somebody else's Identity? That would allow them to pass the background check. If you read my posts you'd see how it is impossible to avoid hiring illegals. People are going to fraud the system no matter what you do (unless you discriminate, which would be unlawful). The problem is with the current tools employers are allowed to use for hiring...they aren't sufficient.
Do you base your life on what internet links tell you? Try actually using E-verify and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
They must provide an acceptable list A document or acceptable list B and list C documents for the I-9 form to be correctly filled out. If they aren't able to do this they cannot be hired. However, that doesn't mean they can't get away with stolen/altered documents...which is easily done if they produce a list B state issued photo ID which E-verify won't have on file. That will effectively skip over the photo tool portion of E-verify.
Please explain this background check. How are you able to prevent somebody from being hired with somebody else's Identity? That would allow them to pass the background check. If you read my posts you'd see how it is impossible to avoid hiring illegals. People are going to fraud the system no matter what you do (unless you discriminate, which would be unlawful). The problem is with the current tools employers are allowed to use for hiring...they aren't sufficient.
So once there is an online photo feature built into e-verify what you are saying is that if a potential hire presents a DL with a picture on it it won't be compared to the picture online? I don't believe that for one moment. What would be the purpose of the online photo feature then? There must be other ways of catching those who present someone elses I.D. or a fake one when there isn't a phono I.D. online. Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Right now from what I have read 54% of fakers aren't caught and are deemed authorized to work. That means that nearly half are caught. That is a whole lot better than nothing. I would imagine that once the online photos are built into e-verify that even more fakers will be caught.
So once there is an online photo feature built into e-verify what you are saying is that if a potential hire presents a DL with a picture on it it won't be compared to the picture online?
BINGO. That's exactly what I'm saying. E-Verify only has access to Federally issued documents. They don't have copies of state issued IDs, (AKA Driver's licenses). Hence, if that is the document provided for the I-9 when the individual is hired, that feature will be skipped over when you enter all the information into E-verify. With 100% confidence I'm telling you, that's what happens.
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What would be the purpose of the online photo feature then? There must be other ways of catching those who present someone elses I.D. or a fake one when there isn't a phono I.D. online. Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Right now from what I have read 54% of fakers aren't caught and are deemed authorized to work. That means that nearly half are caught. That is a whole lot better than nothing. I would imagine that once the online photos are built into e-verify that even more fakers will be caught.
Yes, there are many ways they can be caught, but there are glaring holes in the system that are well known on the black market and most "micas" or fake/stolen documents that are now created on the black market are specifically designed to allow people to get through these holes. Wherever you live I'm sure there is a place where anybody can go and buy a mica at an affordable price. In my neighborhood you can buy them at an intersection like a mile down the street from where I live. These people aren't stupid, and once more catch on that 54% is going to plummet.
By the way, that photo tool is already included in E-Verify, but like I said, the option is skipped over if the applicant does not produce a federally issued document such as a permanent residency card, U.S. Passport or employment authorization card.
BINGO. That's exactly what I'm saying. E-Verify only has access to Federally issued documents. They don't have copies of state issued IDs, (AKA Driver's licenses). Hence, if that is the document provided for the I-9 when the individual is hired, that feature will be skipped over when you enter all the information into E-verify. With 100% confidence I'm telling you, that's what happens.
Yes, there are many ways they can be caught, but there are glaring holes in the system that are well known on the black market and most "micas" or fake/stolen documents that are now created on the black market are specifically designed to allow people to get through these holes. Wherever you live I'm sure there is a place where anybody can go and buy a mica at an affordable price. In my neighborhood you can buy them at an intersection like a mile down the street from where I live. These people aren't stupid, and once more catch on that 54% is going to plummet.
By the way, that photo tool is already included in E-Verify, but like I said, the option is skipped over if the applicant does not produce a federally issued document such as a permanent residency card, U.S. Passport or employment authorization card.
As a "loyal" American then what would you recommend to make e-verify work better? I would recommend that state DL photos be implemented into the program. What say you?
By the way, most already do know how to buy fake DL and I.D.'s.
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