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Old 12-23-2015, 04:15 PM
 
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Here's what you aren't getting. Even illegal aliens who do pay income taxes (using a fake or stolen ID which is a felony) their wages are so low and many with several dependents they don't pay in enough income taxes to cover their social costs. I posted a link how many get more back than they paid in through the Child Earned Income Tax Credit. I guess you will just dismiss that also? Illegals also send billions out of our country back to their homelands which isn't spent in our economy. If Americans got their jobs back with the exit of illegals out of our country they in turn would be paying income taxes and spending "all" of their earnings in our economy and these greedy employers would have to pay them a fair wage which means more taxes would be deducted.
What the problems with their wages? You too have natives that have many childres and receive low paychecks, what you gonna do about them?

"I posted a link how many get more back than they paid in through the Child Earned Income Tax Credit." And many don't pay the income tax because you don't allow, creating distortions.

" If Americans got their jobs back "Man, there is no such thing as "got their jobs back", come on, let's look FACTS, look what happened in Alabama after they began to get heavier with undocs. And see, the truth will be revealed, my son.

 
Old 12-23-2015, 04:20 PM
 
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BS. They are illegal Aliens, same as any other Criminal and need to be rounded up and sent home. If they want to come here, they can do it legally. I would give them plenty of "access" to the Police, as they are rounded up and loaded in Buses. Fear is good, They should be afraid to sneak across borders. A Countries Borders should be secured, with lethal force authorized.
No, overstayers are not criminal (google it) just the border trespasser, so, don't be generic.

"If they want to come here, they can do it legally." Yes, and they would do it, but they can't, most families are fleeing conflict or unstable countries, you speak as if they have choice, but sadly, they don't have.
 
Old 12-23-2015, 04:24 PM
 
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Your argument is moot, because these people are not "Immigrants." They are Illegal Aliens, which in short terms, means Criminals.


The rest of your argument is all BS, since none of that is true, and exactly the opposite. Economists say that more Labor available, means lower wages. "Supply and Demand."


Economists tell you that for every job taken by an illegal Alien, is one less Job available to anyone else.


Those are the "Facts."
-- if they came to this country to live here, yes they are. But be free to not use the dictionary definition, this is a free country. --

-- No, overstayers are not criminal (google it) just the border trespasser, so, don't be generic. --

Ok, economist with several years of studies and experience are wrong, but you're right, okay.
 
Old 12-23-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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No, overstayers are not criminal (google it) just the border trespasser, so, don't be generic.

"If they want to come here, they can do it legally." Yes, and they would do it, but they can't, most families are fleeing conflict or unstable countries, you speak as if they have choice, but sadly, they don't have.

Of course they have a choice. Your not fooling anyone with this false propaganda.

Over stayers are just as illegal as a Border Jumper. ..Throw them on the Bus and send them back.
 
Old 12-23-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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No one here has to "Prove" anything to you, or any Illegal Criminal. You have no voice.


All we need to decide is that Illegals are Criminals and need to be deported, and if they come back, put in Prison and in Labor Camps building Border fences.


Illegal is illegal. If you sneak across the border or overstay your visa, its still illegal and your still a Criminal.


NO, Illegals are not Immigrants. hey are Criminals. They are no different than a person that breaks into another's home to live.

"No one here has to "Prove" anything to you" So you take the things of the bottom of your imagination and your common sense and hopes that everyone believes and agrees with you? Grow buddy, this is the real world, you need to act like an adult. "I do not need to prove" kkk looks like a kid, no joke...

-- if they came to this country to live here, yes they are. But be free to not use the dictionary definition, this is a free country. --

-- No, overstayers are not criminal (google it) just the border trespasser, so, don't be generic. --
 
Old 12-23-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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Of course they have a choice. Your not fooling anyone with this false propaganda.

Over stayers are just as illegal as a Border Jumper. ..Throw them on the Bus and send them back.

Okay, if you refuse to understand the problem, then you will not solve it =D
 
Old 12-23-2015, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Sheriff Joe sets up a hotline for residents to report illegal immigrants

^^ above is thread title ^^^ my first instinct was who is this Sheriff Joe ?? The one who got caught and dealing with Fed's and his groupies who have gotten into deep do do ?? Then I saw that this thread was initially started back in early to mid 2007...Yikes..What difference a half decade makes, eh?

Yes, just like we are seeing into TODAY'S election cycle..There were hundreds if not many thousands who wanted someone to deal with their particular hatred towards the undocumented...So instead of rallying against Business Interest's that use them..They go after the actual worker who works for pennies compared to the documented......Fine..but Sheriff has been accused for almost a decade for his Abuse of Power...which has now become s prime exposed item by LE across the nation...

While some love how he has crossed so many lines and demands so much of anyone accused..shows absolutely no recognition of those accused, nor their legal rights under the Constitution...He must prove the arrested are NOT American thus CAN BE DENIED American Constitutional Rights..yet he refuses to entertain such a "Constitutional Right" and Civil Rights "...He's a nuttier in the FIRST DEGREE!! who represents a very small portion of his State...but maybe his voter's from Maricopa County need to walk in the shoes of those being abused for just one day ( not the lifetime of oppressive tactics experienced by those he rails against!! )..

Wiki link kind of gives one pause when actually seeing his history~~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
 
Old 12-23-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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Sheriff Joe sets up a hotline for residents to report illegal immigrants

^^ above is thread title ^^^ my first instinct was who is this Sheriff Joe ?? The one who got caught and dealing with Fed's and his groupies who have gotten into deep do do ?? Then I saw that this thread was initially started back in early to mid 2007...Yikes..What difference a half decade makes, eh?

Yes, just like we are seeing into TODAY'S election cycle..There were hundreds if not many thousands who wanted someone to deal with their particular hatred towards the undocumented...So instead of rallying against Business Interest's that use them..They go after the actual worker who works for pennies compared to the documented......Fine..but Sheriff has been accused for almost a decade for his Abuse of Power...which has now become s prime exposed item by LE across the nation...

While some love how he has crossed so many lines and demands so much of anyone accused..shows absolutely no recognition of those accused, nor their legal rights under the Constitution...He must prove the arrested are NOT American thus CAN BE DENIED American Constitutional Rights..yet he refuses to entertain such a "Constitutional Right" and Civil Rights "...He's a nuttier in the FIRST DEGREE!! who represents a very small portion of his State...but maybe his voter's from Maricopa County need to walk in the shoes of those being abused for just one day ( not the lifetime of oppressive tactics experienced by those he rails against!! )..

Wiki link kind of gives one pause when actually seeing his history~~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
Lyndarn: since you're a Canadian; maybe YOU can take the illegal aliens in, we def DON'T want their despicable kind here in the US. Period.
 
Old 12-23-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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Really? Seriously? Please NEVER bring up what Hitler and his boys did to INNOCENT people who OBEYED the laws of Germany to more and more countries kicking OUT illegal aliens, Ok?
I couldn't rep. You, but you deserve many reps for your post!
 
Old 12-23-2015, 06:08 PM
 
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Visa over stayers become illegal aliens the moment they let their visas expire. Most illegals coming here aren't fleeing violence in their own countries. If so, they'd be applying to come here as refugees rather than coming here illegally but they don't because they are not legitimate refugees. As for legal immigration we have annual quotas. If you don't fall within those quotas, tough! You can't just come anyway. My, the arrogance!
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