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Old 04-02-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I LOVE that more and more jobs are listing it as a requirement or preference. It gives me an advantage over other applicants.

Ya, Mandarin and Portuguese right.

 
Old 04-02-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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My wife and I lived in Houston for a few years. When we first moved there, my wife was looking for jobs and ran into this issue over and over. The job announcement would list bilingual, which she is, but she'd not get the job because apparently 'bilingual' automatically means spanish. French doesn't matter. It was infuriating for her.

Luckily I work in a field where English is the required common language per international regulations.
 
Old 04-02-2011, 11:45 AM
 
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I work at a place where you are supposed to know English, and speak Spanish only on breaks. Right. I hear more Spanish at work than English, or this strange bastard language, Spanglish, which is half the conversation is in English, the other half in Spanish.

My question is, should my kids be learning Spanish now, in order to be competitive for jobs? But no matter what, they won't be as fluent as someone's whose Mother speaks Spanish.
 
Old 04-02-2011, 12:18 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I personally think it should be illegal to post jobs, especially government jobs, where the preference is for a person who speaks Spanish...
Sort of like the government jobs for typists, but you can't give them a typing test? (Forgive me if that has changed in the recent years).

If I need a truck driver, can I advertise only those with CDL's can apply.

If I need a German linguist you don't want us to ask "Fluency in the German language is a requirement."
 
Old 04-02-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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I work at a place where you are supposed to know English, and speak Spanish only on breaks. Right. I hear more Spanish at work than English, or this strange bastard language, Spanglish, which is half the conversation is in English, the other half in Spanish.

My question is, should my kids be learning Spanish now, in order to be competitive for jobs? But no matter what, they won't be as fluent as someone's whose Mother speaks Spanish.
I don't think that will really help them.

I know a guy who grew up in the Midwest whose mother did speak Spanish because she was from South Texas and he called himself a Chicano or Mexican, he spoke Spanish but not how it's spoken in Mexico.

He worked as a social worker for many years and was given the job because of his ethnic background as the midwestern state he lives in had "chicanos" needing social workers. However in recent years a huge increase of Spanish speakers who need social workers showed up and they complained about the way he spoke Spanish and he lost his job.

He was replaced of course with someone also from the same country as the newcomers whose Spanish was native fluency and also the way they want to hear it.

I've seen a lot more of that lately. They will discrimate against even hispanics because they grew up in the USA and don't speak good enough Spanish.
 
Old 04-02-2011, 06:28 PM
 
Location: reloading
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if it bothers people speaking spanish, then why dont they learn english.

I think the USA needs to have in place as law the english language as the only language spoken in goverment and schools.

schools are fine with learning a 2nd language, but the primary language is still english.
 
Old 04-03-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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I work at a place where you are supposed to know English, and speak Spanish only on breaks. Right. I hear more Spanish at work than English, or this strange bastard language, Spanglish, which is half the conversation is in English, the other half in Spanish.

My question is, should my kids be learning Spanish now, in order to be competitive for jobs? But no matter what, they won't be as fluent as someone's whose Mother speaks Spanish.
We as Americans have bastardised the English language. Our English is a bastardisation of the British English.

I don't have any problems with companies deciding who to hire. If you want to work in the new world you need to improve your language skills.

Companies is South America required English for their jobs but that is not problem because all the kids learn English is school.
 
Old 04-03-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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We as Americans have bastardised the English language. Our English is a bastardisation of the British English.

I don't have any problems with companies deciding who to hire. If you want to work in the new world you need to improve your language skills.

Companies is South America required English for their jobs but that is not problem because all the kids learn English is school.
That's the sad thing. English is the interntional language and kids growing up in the USA are not learning it but are required to learn one and only one foreign language.

Many schools have dropped all other foreign languages. No more German, French, Russia, Classic Latin or Greek.

And while they cram Spanish they eliminate books for Chemistry, and let math go by the wayside.
 
Old 04-03-2011, 06:50 PM
 
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Sort of like the government jobs for typists, but you can't give them a typing test? (Forgive me if that has changed in the recent years).

If I need a truck driver, can I advertise only those with CDL's can apply.

If I need a German linguist you don't want us to ask "Fluency in the German language is a requirement."
Your analogies are bogus.
 
Old 04-04-2011, 01:44 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Okay, I was not sure whether to post this in employment section or here...but this just irks line "Bi-lingual applicants wanted" annoys me. ESPECIALLY FOR GOVERNMENT JOBS!!!!! Yes, I know the standard, mean comments are, "Well, if it bothers you SO much, just learn Spanish."...and yes, when the jobs want someone Bi-lingual, that means English/Spanish, not English/ASL, which I am fluent in...

Recently a job was posted for someone to do applications for Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Financial Assistance, things I have experience in...I looked at the job, and had all of the qualifications, except for the part that stated that Spanish speaking applicants were preferred...interesting...

More and more jobs are like this...what does every one think about that? I personally think it should be illegal to post jobs, especially government jobs, where the preference is for a person who speaks Spanish...
If your state offers benefits to illegal aliens, and one has to communicate with these individuals, what would you suggest?

Since the benefits are not going away today, and no one has proposed to end these benefits, should the reciepients learn English before the recieving benefits...?

OK. If that bill passes..." That all reciepients of state benefits must learn English before they recieve benefits"... how is this directive communicated to those that have yet to learn English? Osmosis?

I understand why learning makes you angery...
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