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Asking for bilingual English-Spanish is really no different than asking for bilingual English-ASL. It's just about accommodating the customer base. If a significant portion of the customer base spoke Xhosa, it would make sense to ask for bilingual English-Xhosa candidates. But because in America, English, Spanish, and ASL are the most commonly spoken languages, those are the languages companies want their employees to speak.
I have a friend who knows English, Spanish, and ASL and works at a bank. She kept her job throughout the whole economic dip, when all her colleagues were getting laid off, because the bank could pay one person to take care of a much larger percentage of customers. When customers came to her, it didn't matter if they were hearing, Deaf, American, or Latino, because she could communicate with any of them, whereas with other employees, they had to bring their customers to her. Companies ask for bilingual and multilingual employees because it's convenient. It saves them money and accommodates customers.
That is why we have so many non-assimilating Hispanics in our country and bi-linguals are given an unfair job hiring advantage because banks and other business are pandering to their non-assimilation in our country.
benefits is not the issue, it is that benefits are being offered right now. and to communicate with those people about the services provided, how would that be done? It is not good management to offer a service but not be able to communicate that service to your client...
You can argue whether they should be here, whether they should be recieving benefits...but the reality is they are here and services are being provided...and communication is needed.
Benefits are the issue. We are constantly told that illegal immigrants aren't getting benefits. We're told they don't qualify. You're admitting this isn't true.
If such benefits are not being offered why do we need to hire Spanish speakers? Because the only way you're supposed to qualify for benefits in the first place is because you are here legally and a citizen. Resident aliens and greencard holders are not supposed to qualify lest they be labeled a public charge. Natives are supposed to be English speakers.
So ultimately, no, we have no responsibility to provide these "clients" aka an illegal alien population anything, let alone welfare benefits in Spanish.
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Does that mean you also expect Deaf Americans to use spoken English, or does that rule only apply to "illegal aliens" (code for Latinos)?
Deaf people have a physical disability that prevents them from learning English. That's an entirely different matter than a law breaker. Oh and Spanish speaker is used as synonym for illegal aliens because 75% are in fact Latinos.
If the Latino community does not want to be associated with illegal aliens their leaders should stop sponsoring legislation designed to benefit said illegal aliens and place ludicrous burdens on native citizens. My own senator has said literally nothing about the serious problems confronting many of our state's citizens yet has repeatedly sponsored legislation such as the DREAM act designed to steal public funds from people who are not Latino. When he starts working for ALL people in this state and not just the people who share his ethnicity I will stop thinking of him as the Latino senator.
One state does not make us bi-cultural. What part of we have an identifying culture and language don't you get? All others are just minority cultures and languages.
I get it just fine. I just don't give a **** if the culture or language is 'identifying' or 'minority'. The cultures and languages exist within the country
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A bi-lingual Spanish/English applicant should not have an advantage over an mono-English speaker just because there are milions of illegal alien Spanish speakers in this country. We should be conducting business in English only unless it is a tourist type job.
I also don't give a **** what you think 'should' happen.
A company can require whatever skills it deems necessary to conduct its business.
You are more than welcome to start your own business and hire only English speakers.
I get it just fine. I just don't give a **** if the culture or language is 'identifying' or 'minority'. The cultures and languages exist within the country
I also don't give a **** what you think 'should' happen.
A company can require whatever skills it deems necessary to conduct its business.
You are more than welcome to start your own business and hire only English speakers.
Benefits are the issue. We are constantly told that illegal immigrants aren't getting benefits. We're told they don't qualify. You're admitting this isn't true.
If such benefits are not being offered why do we need to hire Spanish speakers? Because the only way you're supposed to qualify for benefits in the first place is because you are here legally and a citizen. Resident aliens and greencard holders are not supposed to qualify lest they be labeled a public charge. Natives are supposed to be English speakers.
So ultimately, no, we have no responsibility to provide these "clients" aka an illegal alien population anything, let alone welfare benefits in Spanish.
Deaf people have a physical disability that prevents them from learning English. That's an entirely different matter than a law breaker. Oh and Spanish speaker is used as synonym for illegal aliens because 75% are in fact Latinos.
If the Latino community does not want to be associated with illegal aliens their leaders should stop sponsoring legislation designed to benefit said illegal aliens and place ludicrous burdens on native citizens. My own senator has said literally nothing about the serious problems confronting many of our state's citizens yet has repeatedly sponsored legislation such as the DREAM act designed to steal public funds from people who are not Latino. When he starts working for ALL people in this state and not just the people who share his ethnicity I will stop thinking of him as the Latino senator.
That day is not here.
You're exactly right, you have no responsiblity, but if your state offers benefits to illegal aliens, then what? You can end these benefits if you and like minded voters wish to...but the FACT is that benefits are being offered.
I am not offering these benefits, but I understand that if they are being offered, then it insane to suggest that no attempt should be made to communicate to these illegal aliens on the benefits offered.
I say benefits are not the issue, because the thread topic is jobs being offered bi-lingual applicants; not whether benefits should be offered. I'm trying to to discuss the topic...but you go ahead and rail against anything you'ld like, that doesnt change the fact-companies and institutions need to communicate to these people.
I get it just fine. I just don't give a **** if the culture or language is 'identifying' or 'minority'. The cultures and languages exist within the country
I also don't give a **** what you think 'should' happen.
A company can require whatever skills it deems necessary to conduct its business.
You are more than welcome to start your own business and hire only English speakers.
Of course you don't care about our identifying culture because it isn't your native culture. Do you also not care about Mexico retaining its identity, culture and language? Somehow I doubt it. How about China, Japan, etc. or is it only this country that doesn't have that right?
Yes, a company can hire whomever it wants to unless they are being discriminatory and it is discrimination to hire someone based on their lack for foreign language skills in order to pander to illegal aliens or citizens who refuse to assimilate.
You're exactly right, you have no responsiblity, but if your state offers benefits to illegal aliens, then what? You can end these benefits if you and like minded voters wish to...but the FACT is that benefits are being offered.
I am not offering these benefits, but I understand that if they are being offered, then it insane to suggest that no attempt should be made to communicate to these illegal aliens on the benefits offered.
I say benefits are not the issue, because the thread topic is jobs being offered bi-lingual applicants; not whether benefits should be offered. I'm trying to to discuss the topic...but you go ahead and rail against anything you'ld like, that doesnt change the fact-companies and institutions need to communicate to these people.
What do you mean so what?
Why should a single penny of my hard earned tax dollars go to people who aren't even supposed to be here?
That sort of attitude is ridiculous. I pay taxes to provide for myself and my fellow citizens not to subsidize the desire of low skilled, arrogant, over entitled, law breaking migrants from another country to come and stay here at public expense.
We have been told over and over again that illegals cannot qualify for benefits. If they are receiving them they should be charged with fraud and deported. The state should most certainly not make any efforts to help illegals gain benefits they are not entitled to by providing services in a foreign language.
Benefits are the issue. Institutions need to communicate one thing and one thing only to illegal alien criminals: GO HOME!
It is insane to suggest that Americans should offer them anything else.
Of course you don't care about our identifying culture because it isn't your native culture.
Out of curiosity, what IS my native culture?
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Yes, a company can hire whomever it wants to unless they are being discriminatory and it is discrimination to hire someone based on their lack for foreign language skills
Bull****. Complete and utter bull****.
Is it discrimination to 'hire someone based on their lack' of computer skills or certifications?
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in order to pander to illegal aliens or citizens who refuse to assimilate.
Businesses 'pander' to those who give money to that business. Every citizen has the right to refuse to assimilate.
Benefits are the issue. We are constantly told that illegal immigrants aren't getting benefits. We're told they don't qualify. You're admitting this isn't true.
If such benefits are not being offered why do we need to hire Spanish speakers? Because the only way you're supposed to qualify for benefits in the first place is because you are here legally and a citizen. Resident aliens and greencard holders are not supposed to qualify lest they be labeled a public charge. Natives are supposed to be English speakers.
So ultimately, no, we have no responsibility to provide these "clients" aka an illegal alien population anything, let alone welfare benefits in Spanish.
Deaf people have a physical disability that prevents them from learning English. That's an entirely different matter than a law breaker. Oh and Spanish speaker is used as synonym for illegal aliens because 75% are in fact Latinos.
If the Latino community does not want to be associated with illegal aliens their leaders should stop sponsoring legislation designed to benefit said illegal aliens and place ludicrous burdens on native citizens. My own senator has said literally nothing about the serious problems confronting many of our state's citizens yet has repeatedly sponsored legislation such as the DREAM act designed to steal public funds from people who are not Latino. When he starts working for ALL people in this state and not just the people who share his ethnicity I will stop thinking of him as the Latino senator.
That day is not here.
preach!!! lol. i am hispanic and know maaaaaannnyyy hispanics especially here in NM who despise illegals. Its funny when pro illegals try to play the race card, when they say that they soind extremely ignorant, ILLEGAL IS NOT A RACE!!
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