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Old 04-11-2011, 04:10 PM
 
Location: truckee calif
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Balance the budget and have a sizable surplus by deporting illegal aliens by attrition. Nothing else need be done.


Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23198&security=1601&news _iv_ctrl=1741 (broken link)
FAIR: Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers (http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23198&security=1601&news _iv_ctrl=1741 - broken link)
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Old 04-12-2011, 04:50 PM
 
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As you are speaking about one budget (as opposed to many budgets), I presume you are talking about the Federal budget, which is projected to run a $1,6 trillion deficit. $113 bln, while helpful, will not even come 10% close to balancing said budget.
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Old 04-12-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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Balance the budget and have a sizable surplus by deporting illegal aliens by attrition. Nothing else need be done.


Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers

FAIR: Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers (http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23198&security=1601&news _iv_ctrl=1741 - broken link)
FAIR: Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers (http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23198&security=1601&news _iv_ctrl=1741 - broken link)

you will also lose the money illegals give to social security and medicare when they work with a w2.

not that it wouldnt help if, and thats a big if, we could fill them with americans but yoyr numbers are not accuate and dont add the money illegals make for the government. deporting illegals is not the sole answer.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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Illegals contribute an estimate of 428 billion to the GDP of the US every year, contribute 9 billion to the SS and the estimated cost of mass deportation is 2.6 trillion.

It is not that simple.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:16 PM
 
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As you are speaking about one budget (as opposed to many budgets), I presume you are talking about the Federal budget, which is projected to run a $1,6 trillion deficit. $113 bln, while helpful, will not even come 10% close to balancing said budget.
It would over a period of time. $113 billon over a ten year period for instance. We aren't going to balance the budget any sooner than that anyway. With other types of cuts such as what is on the table now we could have a balanced budget in the not too distant future.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:20 PM
 
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you will also lose the money illegals give to social security and medicare when they work with a w2.

not that it wouldnt help if, and thats a big if, we could fill them with americans but yoyr numbers are not accuate and dont add the money illegals make for the government. deporting illegals is not the sole answer.
No, we wouldn't because the jobs they are holding would get filled by Americans or legal immigrants. They in turn would be paying into the SS fund just as "some" illegals do.

Illegals aren't "making" any money for the government either only their greedy corporate buddies are making any profits.

Illegals should be deported either voluntarily or involuntarily strictly based on our immigraton laws. There doesn't have to be any other reasons.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:22 PM
 
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Illegals contribute an estimate of 428 billion to the GDP of the US every year, contribute 9 billion to the SS and the estimated cost of mass deportation is 2.6 trillion.

It is not that simple.
Straight from some leftist website, right? Mass deportation isn't necessary. When the incentives are removed most will self-deport. There are little to no costs associated with that. It IS as simple as that.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:53 PM
 
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So what are the "rightists" figures? I did not pull them from an specific leftist source.

If you are strictly speaking about economic reasons, I think is actually more effective to legalize and make the illegals pay taxes. The burden of illegal immigrants on the economy is already there (schools, health, etc). What is missing is most of the payment from undocumented workers.

If a self deportation is possible and the cost of deportation could be reduced to nothing, there is a loss of 11 million consumers, those consumers cannot be replaced by Americans as Americans are already here too.

In the case of jobs, jobs can be filled by currently unemployed Americans, but most jobs lost during the current recession were not necessarily lost to illegal immigration. What happens when the economic conditions improve? Also getting rid of 3.5% of the population would most probably lead to another recession.

Neither Bush or Obama went for a deportation (self or government sponsored) because is not feasible, economically. The real problem is that providing amnesty would create a precedent and could fuel up further illegal migration, which is undesired, and it would be highly unpopular right now, as the economic conditions are harsh.

The ideal scenario would be to have no illegal immigrants and a steady need for immigrants that could enter legally.
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:02 PM
 
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So what are the "rightists" figures? I did not pull them from an specific leftist source.

If you are strictly speaking about economic reasons, I think is actually more effective to legalize and make the illegals pay taxes. The burden of illegal immigrants on the economy is already there (schools, health, etc). What is missing is most of the payment from undocumented workers.

If a self deportation is possible and the cost of deportation could be reduced to nothing, there is a loss of 11 million consumers, those consumers cannot be replaced by Americans as Americans are already here too.

In the case of jobs, jobs can be filled by currently unemployed Americans, but most jobs lost during the current recession were not necessarily lost to illegal immigration. What happens when the economic conditions improve? Also getting rid of 3.5% of the population would most probably lead to another recession.

Neither Bush or Obama went for a deportation (self or government sponsored) because is not feasible, economically. The real problem is that providing amnesty would create a precedent and could fuel up further illegal migration, which is undesired, and it would be highly unpopular right now, as the economic conditions are harsh.

The ideal scenario would be to have no illegal immigrants and a steady need for immigrants that could enter legally.
Your liberal views and stats have already been debunked in here over and over. We already have a steady flow of LEGAL immigrants to the tune of 1.5 million per year. We have no shortage of immigrants that do it the right way and there is no reason to increase our quotas on legal immigration by legalizing the illegals that are already here.
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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Your liberal views and stats have already been debunked in here over and over. We already have a steady flow of LEGAL immigrants to the tune of 1.5 million per year. We have no shortage of immigrants that do it the right way and there is no reason to increase our quotas on legal immigration by legalizing the illegals that are already here.

the arguement isnt if its right to have illegals here or not. the arguement is cost and loss. you keep saying that without benefits illegals will leave. before warfare illegals floded california, and continue to, even in states where cash warefare isnt an option or housing. food stamps and medicare are solely not keeping illegals here. mass deportation is the only way to get them out, and its too costly. also mass deportation will cripple the u.s. you need a gradual deportation which gives americans time to fill the jobs fast enough so it wont slow our economy by missing workers. it sounds easy but companies will require background checks, finger prints etc.

this is why utah wanted to experiment with illegas in their state for a temp work pass.
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