Do You Support the Rights of Illegal Immigrants? (website, unemployment benefits, Mexican)

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by mermaid825

This is a trick question in a way-- because if they were "given rights," i.e. naturalized and worked on the books, they would pay state and federal income taxes, would actually have to qualify for a driver's license and be educated on things like DUI instead of having an excuse to just get in a car and go, and they would be subject to labor laws including minimum wages, so their depression on wages would be reduced. From a strictly financial perspective it would be cheaper to naturalize the ones who are here than to try to deport them, which would be an astronomical sum to the tune of 12 million legal cases. Either way, any new influx of illegals has to be stopped.

We need the jobs for Americans that these illegals are holding. What is so hard to understand about that? We don't need this additional population growth in our country permanantly either placing demands on our resources and jobs and the continued crowding of our schools, jails and hospitals.

For the umpteenth time there are very little if any associated expenses in voluntary deportations. If there are no jobs for them, no birthright citizenship, no benefits most will go home by themselves.

[Cyanna]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

Yes, let's let in the entire 2 billion impoverised on the entire planet into our country otherwise we can't be known as a free country or a nation of immigrants with a beacon light to everyone in the world. So what that we already have the most generous legal immigration policies in the world to the tune of 1.5 milion a year. It would be just plain racist to expect our immigration laws to be respected and enforced and to put a cap on immigration, right? So what if we commit national suicide by doing so and our own citizens who have built this country suffer. It doesn't matter, does it?

Bravo! We already have a generous immigration policy which is intended to give people from EVERYWHERE a chance to come here legally. The current cap is a fair one, but certain illegal groups think they have more rights than others from around the world waiting to get in legally.

[rjyoungdos]

Originally Posted by Cyanna

Are you in favor of giving illegal immigrants full rights which they have not earned and are not entitled to? Do you feel that they have the right to come here without going through the normal, LEGAL channels, which have been set up to ensure the health and safety of ALL Americans, and to prevent immigration of criminals and those who are unable to support themselves?

If you are in favor of allowing illegals to enter and then remain in this country unimpeded, and currently at the cost of EVERY hard working American taxpayer, would you be willing to sacrifice some of your own money to keep them here? Would you invite them to live in your home with you and take upon yourself the burden of supporting them? Would you become a sponsor to a family of illegal immigrants, willing to put your neck on the line as a guarantor of any debts they may accrue, in order to prevent them from becoming a burden to the tax payer and the government? Is your dedication to their cause that strong? Or are you only happy to have them here as long as EVERYONE has to foot the bill, whether they want to or not?

Okay so my girlfriend got me started on this thing and this is a topic that comes up quite freqently. So here we go.

No I do not support the rights of illegal aliens in this country because the majority of them have no intentions of contributing to this country. Their intention of this country is to leech off the system taking away from what I will never see in my lifetime Social Security. That and the simple fact that it's in the name ILLEGAL.

Now I know I'm not the sharpest spoon in the drawer, but I'm pretty sure that if you are illegal, you have no rights included constitual rights.

I know what's coming next. I must be a racist right. Well I'm not. I spread my disdain equally for everybody, and doesn't matter because i don't give a damn. Wrong is wrong with no if and or but's about it.

There is also no way in Heaven, Hell and.or any other celestial place would I allow an ILLEGAL to live in my home. Well actually they practically do by the way the government spends our money.

The border need to be closed to all until this country can fix itself.

[1751texan]

Originally Posted by Cyanna

All good questions

Its about rights obtained through LEGAL residency status in the United States. Sponsorship isn't adoption, it is just a declaration that you are guaranteeing that if the immigrant you sponsor should be unable to support themselves and take care of their own needs you will do so on their behalf. This keeps them OFF the welfare system.

So yes, it would lead to a pathway to legal resident status and could also lead the way to work and study permits. As for No-Deport orders, no, it would not cover that. Any person who comes to this country as a legal immigrant is subject to deportation under certain laws and rules. I would not remove that clause.

What would be the incentive for anyone to risk, if they were to sponsor someone, then after two or three years of sponsorship, work and/or school, that person or family were deported?

A temporary resident status is a non-deport option.

[rjyoungdos]

Originally Posted by 1751texan

What would be the incentive for anyone to risk, if they were to sponsor someone, then after two or three years of sponsorship, work and/or school, that person or family were deported?

A temporary resident status is a non-depot option.

Okay so how about you can go and sponsor them. Then after we read and watch your story on the news how you have been robbed of everything except your hair on your chest, then you can come back here and I'm pretty sure you will have a different veiw.

I don't trust them and why should I?

[1751texan]

Originally Posted by rjyoungdos

Okay so my girlfriend got me started on this thing and this is a topic that comes up quite freqently. So here we go.

No I do not support the rights of illegal aliens in this country because the majority of them have no intentions of contributing to this country. Their intention of this country is to leech off the system taking away from what I will never see in my lifetime Social Security. That and the simple fact that it's in the name ILLEGAL.

Now I know I'm not the sharpest spoon in the drawer, but I'm pretty sure that if you are illegal, you have no rights included constitual rights.

I know what's coming next. I must be a racist right. Well I'm not. I spread my disdain equally for everybody, and doesn't matter because i don't give a damn. Wrong is wrong with no if and or but's about it.

There is also no way in Heaven, Hell and.or any other celestial place would I allow an ILLEGAL to live in my home. Well actually they practically do by the way the government spends our money.

The border need to be closed to all until this country can fix itself.

Some constitutional rights are not afforded to illegal aliens, Some constitutional rights are expressly reserved for US Citizens, but many of our rights pertain to "all persons" under the legal jurisdiction of the United States[regardless of immigration status].

[rjyoungdos]

Originally Posted by 1751texan

Some constitutional rights are not afforded to illegal aliens, Some constitutional rights are expressly reserved for US Citizens, but many of our rights pertain to "all persons" under the legal jurisdiction of the United States[regardless of immigration status].

And do you know why?

Because they are not legal.

[Iluvmycountry]

Originally Posted by A_Lexus

I think we should grant them full rights, along with some kind of transition mechanism to make them full legal citizens. It's the price we pay for being such a free society, a nation comprised of immigrants, and a beacon for freedom throughout the world.

Ludicrous to exclude these proud people. Those of you calling for the mass exodus of all illegal immigrants need to deal with your personal issues. Living in such a state of negativity is detrimental to your health and diminishes your quality of life.

I note here that Republicans have no problem watching the rich get richer, or excessive amounts of money being dumped into the military to nation build and aid poor people on the other side of the world. Yet, when money is spent here at home to aid such people, they are unreasonable and misguided in their outrage. I support amnesty and a program to make these people full citizens.

For myself this has nothing to do with my political affiliation. However, I am fed up with the total B.S. that spews from people such as yourself on the issue of people in this country illegally. Please elaborate on your statement refering to "mass exodus of illegal immigrants" and that anyone who is for that has "personal issues" Do you have any idea how proposterous and totally asine that statement sounds? Where did you come up with that one from? Also, your attempt at using the military and any or all other subjects the Gvt spends money on and that it should be spent on people here illegally has got to be one of the most twisted cognative thought processes I have ever heard. Let me ask you this, WHY? I'm sure we could spend it on our own country and people who have actually worked and put money into the system, and were laid off etc.. Why am I not hearing your cries for them? Lexus why don't you do us all a favor and sell your lexus, then take in all the illegals in your place in the Bay Area and YOU feed, clothe, shelter them. I know as one who wittinesses their "entitlement" attitude on a daily basis and (no I am in no way exaggerating that statement) that I and millions of other Americans are fed up with this topic. One must come to the conclusion that those who have your diseased mentalily on this subject, and the employers that hire them are destroying our country little by little, day by day. Pathetic is the kindest word I have for this mentality.

[Shinhiryuu]

my issue is, its not a problem to deport illegals and a sponsership program is already what you do when you bring a realtive like mother or sister over. my whole tick with these immigration policies is they go too far. they want to take my freedoms as an american away to make themselves sleep better at night. we all know if arizonas law passed they wouldnt be i.d.ing white people. and me being an american will sue the hell out of a police officer asking me for proof of citizenship if im walking down the street to buy a carton of milk. its the same reason i have to wait 2 hours to get on a plane, even tho t.s.a. has never caught a terrorist. once your fear shell tries to engulf me, i get mad.

[ErikCortez]

Originally Posted by Shinhiryuu

my issue is, its not a problem to deport illegals and a sponsership program is already what you do when you bring a realtive like mother or sister over. my whole tick with these immigration policies is they go too far. they want to take my freedoms as an american away to make themselves sleep better at night. we all know if arizonas law passed they wouldnt be i.d.ing white people. and me being an american will sue the hell out of a police officer asking me for proof of citizenship if im walking down the street to buy a carton of milk. its the same reason i have to wait 2 hours to get on a plane, even tho t.s.a. has never caught a terrorist. once your fear shell tries to engulf me, i get mad.

An anglo friend of mine could be profiled cause he looks like a Mexican. His wife is part Indian and looks more anglo than him. I dont get profiled as a Chicano til I open my mouth.

I dont care cause I have my Arizona DL. If the cops stop you; dont have any tude and you will be fine.