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View Poll Results: Would you be willing to sponsor an Illegal Immigrant?
Yes, I would be more than willing to act as sponsor to illegal immigrants. 19 7.09%
No, but I would be happy to pay a higher personal tax to help pay for their support. 7 2.61%
No, but I would be happy to host them in my home if someone else pays me for it. 2 0.75%
No. I do not wish to support illegal immigrants in ANY way with my tax dollars or personal income. 240 89.55%
Voters: 268. You may not vote on this poll

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Unread 08-05-2011, 10:07 AM
 
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I disagree with your assesment of his intent.

Allowing a cushion on the speed limit is an example of law enforcement using discretion.
So is the selective enforcement of immigration laws. It's the same principle as the speeding cushion - higher levels of enforcement are costly and mobilize resources when they could be better used elsewhere.

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I don't consider that rewarding people.
Really? What's the difference, exactly, besides your opinion that one law is more important than the other?
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Unread 08-05-2011, 10:12 AM
 
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So is the selective enforcement of immigration laws. It's the same principle as the speeding cushion - higher levels of enforcement are costly and mobilize resources when they could be better used elsewhere.



Really? What's the difference, exactly, besides your opinion that one law is more important than the other?
Have you heard the old saying. You can't compare apples & Oranges
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Unread 08-05-2011, 10:39 AM
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So is the selective enforcement of immigration laws. It's the same principle as the speeding cushion - higher levels of enforcement are costly and mobilize resources when they could be better used elsewhere.



Really? What's the difference, exactly, besides your opinion that one law is more important than the other?

Are you actually going to say that me driving 35 in a 25 mph zone is comperable to an illegal alien entering this country? The difference is that my speeding could certainly be dangerous and it's something that I shouldn't be doing but illegal entry is just the tip of the iceburg. Once they're here they continue to commit more crimes such as ID fraud and they use expensive services that they don't pay for such as medical care. In short, the difference is that one offense is far more serious than the other and the two can not be compared at all. I find it very hard to believe that you would actually even try to go there. This is probably the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen by an illegal alien sympathizer.

Before we go any further:

What is your stance on illegal immigration and why do you feel that way?
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Unread 08-05-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Are you actually going to say that me driving 35 in a 25 mph zone is comperable to an illegal alien entering this country?
NO. Are you reading anything I'm writing?

They are comparable in one specific sense, at the least. I am asking you why one situation is "rewarding" the lawbreaker when another is not.
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Unread 08-05-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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In my book you can't compare the two anyway. Speeding and illegal immigration don't belong in the same discussion.
Of course you can't compare the two in your book, because then it becomes obvious how illogical your argument is.
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Unread 08-05-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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I disagree with your assesment of his intent.

Allowing a cushion on the speed limit is an example of law enforcement using discretion. I don't consider that rewarding people. I wonder how many examples of discretion I could find with regard to illegal immigration if I search. In my book you can't compare the two anyway. Speeding and illegal immigration don't belong in the same discussion. I look forward to your subsequent attempts to paint me into a corner to somehow prove your point (whatever that may be).
Exactly! The punishment should fit the crime. The punishment for being here illegally is being deported back to your homeland. The punishment for a citizen breaking the speed limit is a ticket. We cannot deport citizens according to our Constitution.

Should someone get the death penalty for bank robbery just as murderers do? This whole train of thought and dumb analogies is getting ridiculous.
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Unread 08-05-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Have you heard the old saying. You can't compare apples & Oranges
Actual science disagrees.

Apples and oranges have previously been shown to be remarkably similar

Comparing Apples and Oranges | Surprising Science
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Unread 08-05-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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Are you actually going to say that me driving 35 in a 25 mph zone is comperable to an illegal alien entering this country?

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Unread 08-05-2011, 11:22 AM
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NO. Are you reading anything I'm writing?

They are comparable in one specific sense, at the least. I am asking you why one situation is "rewarding" the lawbreaker when another is not.

OK- Great

Let's move on from that debate. Let's agree that we're rewarding speeders.

I still say illegals have no right to be here and should be deported.
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Unread 08-05-2011, 11:24 AM
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Exactly! The punishment should fit the crime. The punishment for being here illegally is being deported back to your homeland. The punishment for a citizen breaking the speed limit is a ticket. We cannot deport citizens according to our Constitution.

Should someone get the death penalty for bank robbery just as murderers do? This whole train of thought and dumb analogies is getting ridiculous.
I'd expect nothing less from illegal alien supporters. Notice how he won't even say why he supports illegals.....
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