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Old 04-25-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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By what means is this "force" happening? The decision to have bilingual education in the class, is that of the state and the school district...both elected bodies. If anyone is opposed to bi-lingual education, they have the right to run for school board trustee or state legislator...or back like minded candidates.

"Forced" is a bogus term...
When an English speaking American has to learn Spanish in order to get a job in their own country then yes, they are being forced to learn to learn it.

 
Old 04-25-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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When an English speaking American has to learn Spanish in order to get a job in their own country then yes, they are being forced to learn to learn it.
lets not mix apples and oranges. My comment was to bi-lingual education[which you did not comment on]. So as you move the "Goal posts" ,let me re-adjust and say...

Which "get a job" are you speaking of ...private or public sector?

Private sector? This is America[still]... an private employer can ask for any type of employee he wishes. There is nothing in Federal labor law or the US constitution that an employer asking for specific language skills is in violation of Tilte IX...

The same holds true for the Public sector.

Again, the term "forced" is bogus.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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Yes it is being forced. The schools where I am have eliminated all other foreign languages, no more French, German. But then they require a foreign language be taken - and that leaves Spanish.

The American kids are learning more Spanish than the immigrant kids will ever learn of English.

Well they say after 3 or 4 generations, maybe the immigrant kids will start picking up some English.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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If we were really concerned about our kid's well being we would have them learn Mandarin as the second language. Instead we are more focused trying to communicate with people breaking laws to squat on US soil.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 08:41 AM
 
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It's just like when employers require an applicant be "bilingual" and the applicant is fully bilingual in German, French, Mandarin, Swahili --- they will be discriminated against, they can forget being hired because it's only the one group that must be catered to. One group of immigrants refuses to learn the language of this nation, refuses to adapt in any way.

Look at the Vietnamese refugees and how quickly they adapted, you almost never hear Vietnamese spoken and they encouraged their kids to learn English.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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lets not mix apples and oranges. My comment was to bi-lingual education[which you did not comment on]. So as you move the "Goal posts" ,let me re-adjust and say...

Which "get a job" are you speaking of ...private or public sector?

Private sector? This is America[still]... an private employer can ask for any type of employee he wishes. There is nothing in Federal labor law or the US constitution that an employer asking for specific language skills is in violation of Tilte IX...

The same holds true for the Public sector.

Again, the term "forced" is bogus.
"Moving the goal posts"? You were responding to a poster who said this.

"In this country we are being forced to change our way of life. Can't get certain jobs if you don't speak Spanish."

You responded to them by claiming we aren't being forced to learn Spanish and I replied to you in the same way she did. Try to follow the posts. I know it's tough when you are proven wrong but try to just accept it and move on. I think a class action lawsuit would be in order for discriminating against English speaking Americans to service illegal aliens.

We have had this same discussion in here many times in here. Yes, businesses can hire whomever they want but in the case of requiring Americans to be able to speak Spanish it goes directly back to illegal aliens. Many good paying government jobs are requiring it also. Such as police officers, firemen, county, city and state jobs. I don't understand any loyal American regardless of their ethnicity that wouldn't be outraged over this.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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"Moving the goal posts"? You were responding to a poster who said this.

"In this country we are being forced to change our way of life. Can't get certain jobs if you don't speak Spanish."

You responded to them by claiming we aren't being forced to learn Spanish and I replied to you in the same way she did. Try to follow the posts. I know it's tough when you are proven wrong but try to just accept it and move on. I think a class action lawsuit would be in order for discriminating against English speaking Americans to service illegal aliens.

We have had this same discussion in here many times in here. Yes, businesses can hire whomever they want but in the case of requiring Americans to be able to speak Spanish it goes directly back to illegal aliens. Many good paying government jobs are requiring it also. Such as police officers, firemen, county, city and state jobs. I don't understand any loyal American regardless of their ethnicity that wouldn't be outraged over this.
I stand by my post...force is a bogus term. NO ONE is being forced...in no way, in no shape...in any form.

Prove other wise.

Question one's Americanism all you like, that doesnt change facts. No job is garraunteed to anyone in this country. I wish I could work of Microsoft and make 150K a year...'cept I dont know C++ or any other computer programming language. The same holds true for A state or city job in which I would have to be able to communicate the a computer...

You may not like that "Spanish" is the language needed for a job...but that in no way makes it against any city, state or federal rules that the city, state or federal govenments asks for those requirements.

If you wish to change the laws of this country...knock yourself out. Thats the American way, Not protectionism and socialism.

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Old 04-25-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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What you need to do is explain it to our ever-increasing immigrant class why they should be willing to learn another language.

These are the laziest immigrants yet - they want to come here for the food stamps and welfare, and the higher wages but they want to make no effort to learn the language of this country.

The whole reason there's this push for Americans to learn Spanish is precisely
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because the immigrants refuse to ever learn English
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As required by law.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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I stand by my post...force is a bogus term. NO ONE is being forced...in no way, in no shape...in any form.

Prove other wise.

Question one's Americanism all you like, that doesnt change facts. No job is garraunteed to anyone in this country. I wish I could work of Microsoft and make 150K a year...'cept I dont know C++ or any other computer programming language. The same holds true for A state or city job in which I would have to be able to communicate the a computer...

You may not like that "Spanish" is the language needed for a job...but that in no way makes it against any city, state or federal rules that the city, state or federal govenments asks for those requirements.

If you wish to change the laws of this country...knock yourself out. Thats the American way, Not protectionism and socialism.
I already told you how we are being forced to learn Spanish if one wants employment in this country. Nothing to prove. It's a fact.

Your analogies are bogus. Like comparing apples to oranges. No need to change any laws just file a class action discrimination lawsuit. No English speaking American should be discriminated against in the job market because they don't speak the language of illegal invaders.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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I already told you how we are being forced to learn Spanish if one wants employment in this country. Nothing to prove. It's a fact.

Your analogies are bogus. Like comparing apples to oranges. No need to change any laws just file a class action discrimination lawsuit. No English speaking American should be discriminated against in the job market because they don't speak the language of illegal invaders.
Couldn't have said it better.

I have applied for work at several hospitals in the Boston area. I have gone to interviews just to be turned down because I do not speak Spanish. It doesn't matter that I speak French. Why? Because their biggest customer base speaks Spanish... Does NOT speak English and we all know why. Because they are here illegally. Some of you seem to forget that knowledge of the English language is a requirement to immigrate to this country.

How is this fair to me?
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