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Old 05-24-2011, 08:47 PM
 
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No, they can't. Many of these employers start hiring Spanish speaking illegals in particular and they continue to hire the same at cheap wages and to have a workforce that can communicate with one another.
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If you think all illegals are hard workers, I'd like to know what you're smoking.
So these employers you refer to above are hiring them over whites to save a buck even though they are way less productive? mkay. Also last I heard long days picking lettuce in the hot sun was like one of the most dreamed for jobs of slackers across the country.
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Old 05-24-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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citation needed.

So these employers you refer to above are hiring them over whites to save a buck even though they are way less productive? mkay. Also last I heard long days picking lettuce in the hot sun was like one of the most dreamed for jobs of slackers across the country.
No cite is needed. It is a fact and you know it. Did I mention whites? There are blacks that are being discriminated against also in this manner. Where is your proof that Mexicans or other Spanish speaking illegals are more productive than citizens are?

Oh, the ole picking lettuce in the hot sun rhetoric! First off less than 3% of illegals are picking lettuce or any other crop. The rest are all doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage until the arrival of cheap, illegal labor.
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:33 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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No cite is needed. It is a fact and you know it. Did I mention whites? There are blacks that are being discriminated against also in this manner. Where is your proof that Mexicans or other Spanish speaking illegals are more productive than citizens are?

Oh, the ole picking lettuce in the hot sun rhetoric! First off less than 3% of illegals are picking lettuce or any other crop. The rest are all doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage until the arrival of cheap, illegal labor.

Man this is so off-topic, but I got a kick out of this new theroy that American business owners are not only breaking US Immigration law by hirring illegal alien workers, Now they are breaking US Civil rights laws by practicing discrimination.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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Man this is so off-topic, but I got a kick out of this new theroy that American business owners are not only breaking US Immigration law by hirring illegal alien workers, Now they are breaking US Civil rights laws by practicing discrimination.
Off topic? Why didn't you tell that to "huddledmasses" who brought up white workers? I pointed out that it isn't just white American workers being discriminated against but black American workers also. Are you kidding me? That is exactly what some businesses are doing. They are breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens and then discriminating against non-Spanish speaking Americans for the cheap, illegal labor. I can't believe that you would deny such an obvious fact. Examples have been provided in here over and over.

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Old 05-25-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Man this is so off-topic, but I got a kick out of this new theroy that American business owners are not only breaking US Immigration law by hirring illegal alien workers, Now they are breaking US Civil rights laws by practicing discrimination.
Why would you believe greedy, unscrupulous employers would not discriminate? If they willingly violate our immigration, IRS, and DOL laws, do you actually think they would abide by other laws? Apparently you arenít aware of the rampant discrimination against American construction workers during the rebuilding of New Orleans after Katrina.

Gutierrez is nothing but an illegal alien peddler/profiteer. He knows Obama will not sign an Executive Order for amnesty. Itís all a game.
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Old 05-25-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Why would you believe greedy, unscrupulous employers would not discriminate? If they willingly violate our immigration, IRS, and DOL laws, do you actually think they would abide by other laws? Apparently you arenít aware of the rampant discrimination against American construction workers during the rebuilding of New Orleans after Katrina.

Gutierrez is nothing but an illegal alien peddler/profiteer. He knows Obama will not sign an Executive Order for amnesty. Itís all a game.
More and more, youre right. The dirty employers DONT want amnesty cause then they would have to pay good wages. Why hire an illegal when it would cost the same to hire an American.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Latinos are not a race, but an ethnic group defined as sharing national origins in Latin American countries. Therefore, Latinos can be of any race, nearly all have European admixture, the majority of U.S. Latinos possess a majority of European admixture, and a common feature of Latin American social stratification, as well as select Mexican-American social stratification, is the positive association of higher status with European admixture.
George Lopez for example also has majority European admixture, according to his DNA test results he is 55% European. So does that mean George Lopez is White ?
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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Consider this analogous counterexample: On average, U.S. whites and U.S. Indians are both groups of "mestizos" in that both groups possess European and Amerindian admixture components. Since they possess highly disparate admixture proportions that yield highly disparate phenotypes, it seems unreasonable to categorize them as members of the same racial group.

Latin American whites tend to possess higher proportions of Amerindian admixture than U.S. whites do, but they still possess a sufficient degree of European admixture to yield light skin pigmentation and "Caucasoid" facial structures, and it still seems unreasonable to categorize them as members of the same racial group as individuals with far higher Amerindian admixture proportions and more distinctly Indian physical appearance.

A standard certificate of death states that, "'Hispanic' refers to people whose origins are from Spain, Mexico, or the Spanish-speaking Caribbean Islands or countries of Central or South America. Origin includes ancestry, nationality, and lineage. There is no set rule about how many generations are to be taken into account in determining Hispanic origin; it may be based on the country of origin of a parent, grandparent, or some far-removed ancestor." Assuming a similar lack of a set rule for categorization of "Latinos," to categorize individuals with remote ancestors from Hispanophone or Latin American countries if they possessed no cultural or linguistic affinities with these countries citizens' or recent emigrants seems meaningless.

The claim that they "are all bound by the Spanish langauge" is untrue, firstly because there are romance (Latin-derived) languages other than Spanish/Castilian used in American countries, namely French and Portuguese, and secondly because descendants of Hispanic/Latino immigrants do not retain Spanish/Castilian language proficiency. Rumbaut, Massey, and Bean state in Linguistic Life Expectancies: Immigrant Language Retention in Southern California that, "Owing to the number and density of Spanish speakers in metropolitan Southern California, Mexicans and other Latin American immigrants retain a greater ability to speak their mother tongue very well compared with other groups, but, by the third generation at the latest, ability drops sharply and converges toward the pattern observed for white Europeans. However, when survival is defined as a preference for speaking Spanish at home, the survival curves for Mexicans and other Latin American groups look much more like those of Asians and white Europeans. Although the life expectancy of Spanish may be appreciably greater among Mexicans in Southern California, its ultimate demise nonetheless seems assured by the third generation."

Ergo, it would seem reasonable to identify additional criteria that might preserve the "Hispanic/Latino" classification as meaningful, such as language proficiency, name, immigration by recent ancestors, contact with relatives in ancestors' country or countries of origin, etc.

As an aside, Luis Gutierrez is also not a "Mexican mestizo," if that was the insinuation, since he is not Mexican, and his ancestors are from Puerto Rico.
Do you have proof that to back up your claim that most White Anglo Americans are actually Mestizos ? I have never seen any study that says most White Anglo Americans have some Amerindian admixture.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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George Lopez for example also has majority European admixture, according to his DNA test results he is 55% European. So does that mean George Lopez is White ?
Regardless of what percentage one is of this or that one would be of mixed race and not just one race.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:24 PM
 
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The terminology doesn't matter. You are grasping at straws now. Latinos/Hispanic or whatever else one refers to them as are all bound by the Spanish langauge, genetics and other cultural traits. Mexican mestizos are a combination of native indian and their Spanish ancestors. So they can be called Latino or Hispanic depending on whether you are referring to their culture or geographical location.

THANK YOU and for all YOU, chicagonut; do in defending the TRUTH. I have been on this forum for a little while and I watch, read those without argument dissect every letter written to dissuade, confuse and throw each thread. YOU counter each suggestion with grace and patience, INTELLIGENCE as well as informing/exposing the truth, thank you.

Gutierrez is a nut. A self agended self gratifying nut. He is NOT taken seriously except by those other nut jobs whose scope is far beyond reality...America laughs, is not threatened and will not tolerate the erosion of our Country by these outlandish antics/proclamations.

Maturity at it's best is a pissed American.

We beat an entire nation by standing behind a tree with a rifle and a rake. We have better weapons today. Pity the "man".
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