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Old 04-28-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: SELA
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Gutierriez may be American by nationality but he is of the Latino/Hispanic ethnic group and so are most of the illegal Mexicans that are coming here.
Latinos are individuals that have national origins in countries of Latin America, and Hispanics are individuals that have national origins in Hispanophone countries.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:47 PM
 
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Latinos are individuals that have national origins in countries of Latin America, and Hispanics are individuals that have national origins in Hispanophone countries.
The terminology doesn't matter. You are grasping at straws now. Latinos/Hispanic or whatever else one refers to them as are all bound by the Spanish langauge, genetics and other cultural traits. Mexican mestizos are a combination of native indian and their Spanish ancestors. So they can be called Latino or Hispanic depending on whether you are referring to their culture or geographical location.
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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For everyone advocating amnesty there must be three or four saying take a tougher line on illegals. BO should do this only if he really wants to lose the election.
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Old 04-28-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Forget representative government. This wackjob wants dictator like action to accomplish amnesty.


YouTube - Congressman Demands Obama Uses Executive Power Or Latinos Won't Vote For Him


Looks like he's getting his wish just in time for 2012. The Dems will pay for this they think the Latinos can save them from utter ruin in '12 they are going to be in store for a shock.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/27/us....html?src=recg

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Her case looked bleak, but in recent days everything changed. Last Thursday, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official in Dallas summoned Ms. Zanella and told her she could remain in this country, under the agency’s supervision, if she stayed in school and out of trouble.



Encouraged by the surprising turnaround, Ms. Zanella’s parents and two siblings, who also had been living in the United States illegally, presented papers late Monday to ICE, as the agency is known, turning themselves in and requesting some form of legal immigration status.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:21 PM
 
Location: SELA
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The terminology doesn't matter. You are grasping at straws now. Latinos/Hispanic or whatever else one refers to them as are all bound by the Spanish langauge, genetics and other cultural traits. Mexican mestizos are a combination of native indian and their Spanish ancestors. So they can be called Latino or Hispanic depending on whether you are referring to their culture or geographical location.
Consider this analogous counterexample: On average, U.S. whites and U.S. Indians are both groups of "mestizos" in that both groups possess European and Amerindian admixture components. Since they possess highly disparate admixture proportions that yield highly disparate phenotypes, it seems unreasonable to categorize them as members of the same racial group.

Latin American whites tend to possess higher proportions of Amerindian admixture than U.S. whites do, but they still possess a sufficient degree of European admixture to yield light skin pigmentation and "Caucasoid" facial structures, and it still seems unreasonable to categorize them as members of the same racial group as individuals with far higher Amerindian admixture proportions and more distinctly Indian physical appearance.

A standard certificate of death states that, "'Hispanic' refers to people whose origins are from Spain, Mexico, or the Spanish-speaking Caribbean Islands or countries of Central or South America. Origin includes ancestry, nationality, and lineage. There is no set rule about how many generations are to be taken into account in determining Hispanic origin; it may be based on the country of origin of a parent, grandparent, or some far-removed ancestor." Assuming a similar lack of a set rule for categorization of "Latinos," to categorize individuals with remote ancestors from Hispanophone or Latin American countries if they possessed no cultural or linguistic affinities with these countries citizens' or recent emigrants seems meaningless.

The claim that they "are all bound by the Spanish langauge" is untrue, firstly because there are romance (Latin-derived) languages other than Spanish/Castilian used in American countries, namely French and Portuguese, and secondly because descendants of Hispanic/Latino immigrants do not retain Spanish/Castilian language proficiency. Rumbaut, Massey, and Bean state in Linguistic Life Expectancies: Immigrant Language Retention in Southern California that, "Owing to the number and density of Spanish speakers in metropolitan Southern California, Mexicans and other Latin American immigrants retain a greater ability to speak their mother tongue very well compared with other groups, but, by the third generation at the latest, ability drops sharply and converges toward the pattern observed for white Europeans. However, when survival is defined as a preference for speaking Spanish at home, the survival curves for Mexicans and other Latin American groups look much more like those of Asians and white Europeans. Although the life expectancy of Spanish may be appreciably greater among Mexicans in Southern California, its ultimate demise nonetheless seems assured by the third generation."

Ergo, it would seem reasonable to identify additional criteria that might preserve the "Hispanic/Latino" classification as meaningful, such as language proficiency, name, immigration by recent ancestors, contact with relatives in ancestors' country or countries of origin, etc.

As an aside, Luis Gutierrez is also not a "Mexican mestizo," if that was the insinuation, since he is not Mexican, and his ancestors are from Puerto Rico.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:32 PM
 
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For everyone advocating amnesty there must be three or four saying take a tougher line on illegals. BO should do this only if he really wants to lose the election.
He may know he is going to lose the election and intends to push as much of his damaging agenda through before then as possible.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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It's a shame that an elected representative of this country doesn't know enough about the rules of law of said country not to know that the President CANNOT make laws bypassing the Congress (of which this rep is a part) via Executive Order.

PERIOD
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:01 PM
 
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It's a shame that an elected representative of this country doesn't know enough about the rules of law of said country not to know that the President CANNOT make laws bypassing the Congress (of which this rep is a part) via Executive Order.

PERIOD
he knows better but he also knows, as all of us do by now, that Obama has no problem going against the constitution or any law in place. He believes that he is aboive the law.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:43 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Hmmmm... I wonder how big Gutierrez's house is? Maybe he could take a few families in, support them, and take the burden off the tax payer?

I'll say it again...anyone who feels this strongly about rewarding people who willfully enter our country to live without pemission needs to step forward and put their money where their mouth is. Feed them, clothe them, house them, pay for their medical and education expenses and SPONSOR them, with your OWN money!
Hey now your idea, is one i can be proud of.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:46 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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He may know he is going to lose the election and intends to push as much of his damaging agenda through before then as possible.


I don't think so. Obama has such a big head, a legion in his own mind, i believe he believes he will make it once again and torture us for 4 more years.
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