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Old 04-27-2011, 02:39 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Gosh i am alwyas agreeing with ya. The problem with illegals, and our borders will never be fixed, as long as our Government chooses to turn the heads the other way, and they are.
The way I see it:

A guy robs a bank...The police allows him to keep all the money and tells him "You can keep the money, as long as you don't rob another bank".

Now a lot of people will think "hmmm, if he did it and got away with it, why can't I? And they go ahead and rob a bank.

Same thing here:

Listen, you broke the law but we're letting you stay.

Now everyone will be encouraged to cross the border illegally because they know they will get away with it.

That is exactly what is happening here. Except that the bank here is the United States and the money being taken away is OUR money.

How does that solve illegal immigration?!

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Old 04-27-2011, 02:47 PM
 
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Same way the U.S doesn't negotiate with terrorists. The bleeding hearts will have you believe they aren't one and the same. "They just want to come here to work". Yea right... come to my neighborhood in San Jose on a weekday and see how many pregnant women with 3 kids pushin strollers mob the shopping centers. Entire families just bopping along with not a care in the world, EBT cards ready. Ranchero music blasting. And don't give me this whole "you are racist , how do you know they are illegal?" , lets not play stupid here. If they were freaking south asian i would say the same. Eastern European the same. It just so happens most illegals ARE hispanics(even as evidenced by La Raza's own claim")
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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Their suggestion for reform:

Restoring order by getting the 12 million undocumented people in our country to come forward, obtain legal status, learn English, and assume the rights and responsibilities of citizenship while creating smart enforcement policies that uphold national security and the Constitution
The last thing La Raza wants is an orderly immigration process.

By getting millions more of "la raza" their easy citizenship - handed to them on a silver platter, the millions more can come in the easy way with family sponsorship. Once handed their citizenship, they will be able to start taking social security checks if they're close to retirement age, they'll be able to sponsor their grannies and grampies, their elderly parents, all their long lost loved ones, kids they abandoned many years ago back home.

Oh -- and of course vote -- it would please Mexico very much to control the outcome of our state and national elections.

That's what is really behind all these easy citizenship ploys. The last thing La Raza wants is smart enforcement or they'd say it's okay to have some enforcement now.
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Old 04-27-2011, 11:45 PM
 
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Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics,"]
This one is hilarious
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Old 04-28-2011, 04:14 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Well one thing that can't be denied about the "beliefs" of the NCLR and that is amnesty/CIR for these illegal aliens and it is because most of the are of the ethnic group they advocate for.
it is exactly for that reason...who denied or does not understand that?
It is not illegal to advocate for any group. Just as you have right to oppose or advocate for any law you consider worthy, so do the members of the NCLR or any other group.

You may feel that their advocacy benefits hispanics over other groups. That would be true if the laws[immigration or any other] they advocate for would only benefit Hispanics.

I dont speak or claim to know all the beliefs of any hispanic advocacy group, but if it can be shown that any group is working to pass laws that exclude any other group, or laws that only benefits their group...then that group would be wrong in their beliefs.
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Old 04-28-2011, 07:04 AM
 
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Of course they advocate for unlimited and completely uncontrolled immigration by their group and it's equally stupid that they would mean to have unlimited and completely uncontrolled immigration from all countries.

Do they really believe our welfare system is that unlimited? They surely cannot be stupid enough to believe there are millions of jobs being created to support the extremely high levels of immigration they desire.
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Old 04-28-2011, 07:10 AM
 
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it is exactly for that reason...who denied or does not understand that?
It is not illegal to advocate for any group. Just as you have right to oppose or advocate for any law you consider worthy, so do the members of the NCLR or any other group.

You may feel that their advocacy benefits hispanics over other groups. That would be true if the laws[immigration or any other] they advocate for would only benefit Hispanics.

I dont speak or claim to know all the beliefs of any hispanic advocacy group, but if it can be shown that any group is working to pass laws that exclude any other group, or laws that only benefits their group...then that group would be wrong in their beliefs.
So it is ok for an advocacy group to vie for illegal foreigners? I don't think so. Sounds anti-American to me. Of course an amnesty would include non-hispanics also but the bottom line is the NCLR and other Hispanic advocacy groups don't care about that because their main objective is to get amnesty for their ethnic group and the other groups of course would be amnestied along with them. They would have to be.
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Old 04-28-2011, 07:48 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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So it is ok for an advocacy group to vie for illegal foreigners? I don't think so. Sounds anti-American to me. Of course an amnesty would include non-hispanics also but the bottom line is the NCLR and other Hispanic advocacy groups don't care about that because their main objective is to get amnesty for their ethnic group and the other groups of course would be amnestied along with them. They would have to be.

What is a illegal foreginer? it is either an illegal alien or a foreigner.

You may not think so...and you may feel that it is anti-American[un-American]. That doesnt make advocacy for illegal aliens or any other group inncorect, illegal or un-American.

Are immigration lawyers vying to keep illegal aliens in this country...are they un-American?

Are judges that rule for illegal aliens in court cases Un-American?

Were the Justices of the Plyler V. Doe court that rule that the state of Texas could not deny illegal alien children access to public school un-American?
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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So show me where it says hows they calculated 12 million undocumented immigrants then smart guy. Show me their "writing". Its not rocket science, simply read their motto on the front page, they want to advance "latinos" and "latinos" only. If an "American" wants to advance "Americans" we are called racist.

What about the Hispanic Scholarship Fund? Read up on them...you or your family have to be from specific latin countries to a even apply for a scholarship. Is that not racist?
More like ethnic, not racism. Many of us Latinos are white, especialy from Argentina and Spain. Not all of us are brown Indians though La raza trys to say we are. Im part Aztec but look Italian.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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What is a illegal foreginer? it is either an illegal alien or a foreigner.

You may not think so...and you may feel that it is anti-American[un-American]. That doesnt make advocacy for illegal aliens or any other group inncorect, illegal or un-American.

Are immigration lawyers vying to keep illegal aliens in this country...are they un-American?

Are judges that rule for illegal aliens in court cases Un-American?

Were the Justices of the Plyler V. Doe court that rule that the state of Texas could not deny illegal alien children access to public school un-American?
Foreigner and alien mean the same thing. Look them up in the dictionary.

You have a strange definition of what a loyal American is. It isn't one who advocates for the invasion of our country by illegal aliens and then wants them to be rewarded for it by allowing them to remain here rather than having them deported as our laws immigration laws dictate.

Yes, anything and anyone that allows illegal aliens access to anything in our country or to be able to remain here is in direct conflict with our immigration laws.
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