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Old 02-20-2013, 06:37 AM
 
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Now i know our past generations build this great country with the help of geniuses imported from other countries, and many born here. But why do you say we?, and take credit for their accomplishment?. have you build anything, the day you do let us know. Have you done something for America other than going to work and getting paid for it? What do you think makes you so special?, just because you were lucky enough to be born here. To American capitalism you are just another pawn that can be discarded for something more efficient and less expensive. You sound like a fascist socialist.
Is going to work a bad thing compared to sitting around and dealing drugs? You talk about how "bad" American capitalism is: Mexico's is MUCH worse; you REALLY need to be down on Mexico, not the US. Sheesh!
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:38 AM
 
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Problem solved...
So you finally admit that some schools at least in Texas do require Spanish as a required course? The solution is for English speaking students who don't want to learn Spanish is to transfer to another school district? Really? Next we will hear that because of the growing Spanish speaking population (mostly due to illegal immigation) if any English speaking American doesn't want to learn Spanish they should move to Canada? What happened to the claims that Hispanics are assimilating to our langauge?
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:01 AM
 
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Some schools and I believe some are in Texas are requiring English speaking students to learn Spanish. What for since you say that it is being encouraged for Spanish speakers to learn English?
I'm all for children studying a second language. However I do not think that second language should automatically be Spanish. Parents should have a choice and the district should strive to offer choices. I think Spanish should be offered, since it's an important language regionally...but I feel Mandarin should also be offered, along with French (still a very important world language), Portuguese (up-and-coming), and possibly even Russian.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:14 AM
 
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I'm all for children studying a second language. However I do not think that second language should automatically be Spanish. Parents should have a choice and the district should strive to offer choices. I think Spanish should be offered, since it's an important language regionally...but I feel Mandarin should also be offered, along with French (still a very important world language), Portuguese (up-and-coming), and possibly even Russian.
My personal opinion is that learning a second language should be elective not mandated. In most cases knowing another language will do nothing to help a student in their career pursuits. Since most Hispanics are bi-lingual there is no need to learn Spanish either.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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My personal opinion is that learning a second language should be elective not mandated. In most cases knowing another language will do nothing to help a student in their career pursuits. Since most Hispanics are bi-lingual there is no need to learn Spanish either.

I think we've had this discussion before. I feel language instruction should be mandatory because it has been demonstrated to have other cognitive benefits above and beyond proficiency in a second language.

If I had children attending a school where a foreign language course was not mandatory, I would make them enroll anyway.

I grew up speaking several languages at home and my parents still made me enroll in Spanish classes at the earliest possible age. They chose Spanish because I already spoke the other languages being offered, or was learning them at Hebrew School. Kind of pointless to put your kid in a French class when they already speak it fluently!
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:31 AM
 
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I think we've had this discussion before. I feel language instruction should be mandatory because it has been demonstrated to have other cognitive benefits above and beyond proficiency in a second language.

If I had children attending a school where a foreign language course was not mandatory, I would make them enroll anyway.

I grew up speaking several languages at home and my parents still made me enroll in Spanish classes at the earliest possible age. They chose Spanish because I already spoke the other languages being offered, or was learning them at Hebrew School. Kind of pointless to put your kid in a French class when they already speak it fluently!
You're entitled to your opinion of course but I disagree that it should be mandated. I took a foreign language in school and found if you don't use it, you lose it and it did nothing for me whatsoever.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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You're entitled to your opinion of course but I disagree that it should be mandated. I took a foreign language in school and found if you don't use it, you lose it and it did nothing for me whatsoever.
You don't know that it did nothing for you.

Cognitive advantages to bilingualism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has been my experience that people who have studied foreign languages extensively and in-depth tend to also be better at math, and many are also good at music or music theory as well. All three exercise some of the same areas of the brain, particularly pattern recognition...which is also a big component of western IQ tests.

My parents realized this before they even had children, so they took care to ensure my brother and I were raised to be multilingual and that we had music instruction from a very early age. They started drilling us with arithmetic as toddlers. We both started college as sophomores and have consistently tested in the top 1-2% of the general population on IQ tests.

Some of that is genetics, I'm sure...but I think our upbringing had something to do with it as well.

Food for thought.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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You don't know that it did nothing for you.

Cognitive advantages to bilingualism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has been my experience that people who have studied foreign languages extensively and in-depth tend to also be better at math, and many are also good at music or music theory as well. All three exercise some of the same areas of the brain, particularly pattern recognition...which is also a big component of western IQ tests.

My parents realized this before they even had children, so they took care to ensure my brother and I were raised to be multilingual and that we had music instruction from a very early age. They started drilling us with arithmetic as toddlers. We both started college as sophomores and have consistently tested in the top 1-2% of the general population on IQ tests.

Some of that is genetics, I'm sure...but I think our upbringing had something to do with it as well.

Food for thought.
I am happy for you that you feel it was of usage to you in other ways. As for me, no it did nothing for me. I excelled at math before I ever studied a second language. My brain was stimulated by the courses I was really interested in and never used the second language that I took so IMO it was a waste of time regardless of what the so-called experts claim. To each his own I guess. We can respectfully disagree anyway.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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I am happy for you that you feel it was of usage to you in other ways. As for me, no it did nothing for me. I excelled at math before I ever studied a second language. My brain was stimulated by the courses I was really interested in and never used the second language that I took so IMO it was a waste of time regardless of what the so-called experts claim. To each his own I guess. We can respectfully disagree anyway.
Yep...as with the last time we discussed this issue, let's agree to disagree.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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You don't know that it did nothing for you.

Cognitive advantages to bilingualism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has been my experience that people who have studied foreign languages extensively and in-depth tend to also be better at math, and many are also good at music or music theory as well. All three exercise some of the same areas of the brain, particularly pattern recognition...which is also a big component of western IQ tests.

My parents realized this before they even had children, so they took care to ensure my brother and I were raised to be multilingual and that we had music instruction from a very early age. They started drilling us with arithmetic as toddlers. We both started college as sophomores and have consistently tested in the top 1-2% of the general population on IQ tests.

Some of that is genetics, I'm sure...but I think our upbringing had something to do with it as well.

Food for thought.
I disagree with you also.
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