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Old 05-15-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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growing up in a strongly conserative anti-communist family, i have always had a distaste for protectionism, socialism, trade barriers, etc. free movement of goods, services, capital, and people, anything less is an unacceptable intrusion of government. this has been ingrained from a very young age.
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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growing up in a strongly conserative anti-communist family, i have always had a distaste for protectionism, socialism, trade barriers, etc. free movement of goods, services, capital, and people, anything less is an unacceptable intrusion of government. this has been ingrained from a very young age.
I dont want people who dont obey the rules coming here. Its called: get in line or stay home.
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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When I moved to the border I realized the Border Patrol is doing the best they can and has doubled enforcement in the past couple years. The problem is thousands of EMPLOYERS lowering American Wages and destroying our economy by employing millions of illegals. Until we are willing to put the employers IN JAIL, there will be no progress
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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When I moved to the border I realized the Border Patrol is doing the best they can and has doubled enforcement in the past couple years. The problem is thousands of EMPLOYERS lowering American Wages and destroying our economy by employing millions of illegals. Until we are willing to put the employers IN JAIL, there will be no progress
Yes, the employers are a big part of the problem but so are the illegals who think nothing of jumping our borders and taking those jobs they have no right to. Our immigration laws need to be enforced against both of them. There have been some employers who have been caught, fined and jailed but for some odd reason the illegals usually are set free to go pursue another job in our country. Until they grow some morals they are just as big of a problem as the employers are.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:50 AM
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20+ deleted posts later I'd like everyone participating in the discussion to read the topic of the thread again, and at least try to post on topic. And please, you all have seen it multiple times, don't fall for trollish tactics again. It almost seems like some of you are doing it on purpose ...
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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20+ deleted posts later I'd like everyone participating in the discussion to read the topic of the thread again, and at least try to post on topic. And please, you all have seen it multiple times, don't fall for trollish tactics again. It almost seems like some of you are doing it on purpose ...
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Well since chicagonut is on my ignore list that doesn't leave anything to say
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Old 05-16-2011, 08:27 AM
 
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Well since chicagonut is on my ignore list that doesn't leave anything to say
I'm just crushed.
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Old 05-17-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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Why are you always so mistaken about me? I'm outnumbered here, and realize I cannot change anyone's hard set beliefs. There was even a little bit of hope on my part that I could be better understood, and find some consensus in some small areas.
I can agree with you on one point, the government bureaucracy with which you were dealing is extremely frustrating. Yet one more example of inept government. Beyond that, we part ways.

I grew up in S. CA in a time when we still dressed up and celebrated Halloween with a carnival in school and trick or treating, when we celebrated Christmas and we called it Christmas break and Easter break in the spring. We exchanged Valentines with every classmate. In my teens we could park on the beach at any time of the day or night and routinely had bonfires on the beach. There were strawberry fields, acres and acres of flower fields and in spring there was nothing better than the smell of orange blossoms. After High School graduation we went to "Grad Night" in Disneyland. Ok, that is the background and the culture when I grew up.

Overnight it seems our grocery stores, hardware stores and car dealerships are posting signs in both English and Spanish. The really nice middle class neighborhoods where I grew up were disappearing. Instead I found 4 or 5 vehicles parked in concrete front yards, wrought iron covering all the windows and doors and every manner of junk in the yard. Most of the children playing in the schoolyards were Hispanic and the schools were overcrowded with modulars brought in to handle the classroom overflow.

My nephew was placed in an overcrowded bilingual classroom in Calabasas. So much time was spent with the students that spoke little or no English that my nephew fell behind and had to be held back.

I began seeing stickers that said "Yo Votar". (I voted.) I found out that not only could you vote in Spanish but several other languages as well. You could take your drivers license test in multiple languages.

My aunt was an OB/GYN nurse and I distinctly remember her telling me in the early 80's that she was tired of trying to help young illegals who don't speak English and terrified of the pain while giving birth because they didn't understand what was happening. Because my aunt spoke no Spanish, she wasn't able to comfort the illegal, but the illegal was screaming and scaring the other mothers giving birth.

It hasn't gotten any better in recent history. I've seen protests for illegal alien rights, dragging our flag on the street during a Veteran's Day Parade no less. Stepping on the flag, spitting on the flag. Lets not forget the High School, Montebello I believe, where the Mexican flag was flown above an upside down American flag. In Pueblo, CO, the Mexican national anthem was played before the American nation anthem at a baseball game.

It is frustrating to travel to Utah, WY, SD, RI and encounter Spanish speaking customers and/or employees in grocery stores, hotels and restaurants. In Georgia, there were so many day workers I thought I was back in CA. It was shocking as it isn't as if these are border states.

Our borders are wide open and we citizens are checked, checked and re-checked when we travel in our own country by TSA.

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Old 05-17-2011, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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I can agree with you on one point, the government bureaucracy with which you were dealing is extremely frustrating. Yet one more example of inept government. Beyond that, we part ways.

I grew up in S. CA in a time when we still dressed up and celebrated Halloween with a carnival in school and trick or treating, when we celebrated Christmas and we called it Christmas break and Easter break in the spring. We exchanged Valentines with every classmate. In my teens we could park on the beach at any time of the day or night and routinely had bonfires on the beach. There were strawberry fields, acres and acres of flower fields and in spring there was nothing better than the smell of orange blossoms. After High School graduation we went to "Grad Night" in Disneyland. Ok, that is the background and the culture when I grew up...
I lived in San Diego for over six years myself, and left because it lost the small-town atmosphere, but it wasn't any from perspective of feeling it was growing more Hispanic. Your background matches what many experienced at that time - Economic differences kept minorities out of your neighborhoods and schools, at least in any numbers worth mentioning. But asking Blacks and Hispanics to return to the "Good Ole Days" is a wee bit different for them.

If you liken a carefree lifestyle to the goal of what you want to return to, it will never be that way again. We've had to awaken to a different world. Illegal aliens didn't change that for us - There were too many other things at play.

It will be a different game to get on top from here...
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:46 PM
 
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Wasn't the question what the impetus was for our take on illegal immigration? I gave you my take and I beg to differ with you. Illegal aliens did change that for me. I find it kind of funny that you think I had a "carefree lifestyle" when I was describing my childhood. We grew up poor, I was the oldest of 5 kids and we moved 32 times by the time I was 17. I was responsible for taking care of my siblings while both my parents worked. Having said that, I would love for this country to return to what it was, but I know you can never return home. I was attempting to paint a picture that we do have an American culture in this country which I feel has been slowly but surely been taken away. But you are entitled to your beliefs. I am curious by your comment, "It will be a different game to get on top from here..." What, pray tell, does that mean?
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