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Old 05-16-2011, 10:39 PM
 
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Am I sympathetic to these kids? Yes I am, I feel badly that they have been put in this situation by their parents. But that doesn't change the fact one bit that they are still here illegally. Anchor babies need to go back too, with their parents.
Yes, in Mexico the unemployment rates are much lower than here and you're right, the pay is less too -- however the cost of living is much less also.

One big problem I have with the so-called dream act is that it would penalize those who didn't expose their children to rape and drug traffickers, those parents who love their children too much to put them in the hands of the traffickers.

Some parents will leave their children at home because they can afford the costs of raising them there, and they sometimes have family members who will provide their kids a good enough home.

Illegals with no education, no ability to learn English, no high school diploma really cannot afford the high cost of living here, that doesn't stop them from paying to have them smuggled in because once over the border, the costs of those kids is shifted to the American taxpayer.

It's not a good idea to reward this kind of crime because rewarding it only encourages more of it. It's insane that parents will turn their kids over to the cartels to bring them over the border, even knowing how many corpses are being dug up out of common graves. How great the lover of money.

The better parents who refused to risk their kids safety and lives would end up with no child to sponsor them in time to cash in on the American social security system. By being more responsible, they would be tough out of luck.

The other reason I'm not too sympathetic to these kids is that when they've reached college age, it's a great time for them to discover other countries, including their own.

You see American students go off to a whole number of colleges in foreign countries to learn. It's a wonderful experience for most. For these illegal kids, it's not even a foreign country they would go learn, it's their own country.

How can they possible say they would hate living in their own country? How can they possibly say with 100% certainty that travel to their own country would be a horrendous experience? And unless they've sat in a Mexican university classroom, listened to a Mexican professor lecture, how can they be so sure it would be awful or that they could never learn anything there?

Being a student in Mexico (and other countries I'm sure) is simply not the hideous experience the dream act kids want to pretend it is.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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Yes, in Mexico the unemployment rates are much lower than here and you're right, the pay is less too -- however the cost of living is much less also.

One big problem I have with the so-called dream act is that it would penalize those who didn't expose their children to rape and drug traffickers, those parents who love their children too much to put them in the hands of the traffickers.

Some parents will leave their children at home because they can afford the costs of raising them there, and they sometimes have family members who will provide their kids a good enough home.

Illegals with no education, no ability to learn English, no high school diploma really cannot afford the high cost of living here, that doesn't stop them from paying to have them smuggled in because once over the border, the costs of those kids is shifted to the American taxpayer.

It's not a good idea to reward this kind of crime because rewarding it only encourages more of it. It's insane that parents will turn their kids over to the cartels to bring them over the border, even knowing how many corpses are being dug up out of common graves. How great the lover of money.

The better parents who refused to risk their kids safety and lives would end up with no child to sponsor them in time to cash in on the American social security system. By being more responsible, they would be tough out of luck.

The other reason I'm not too sympathetic to these kids is that when they've reached college age, it's a great time for them to discover other countries, including their own.

You see American students go off to a whole number of colleges in foreign countries to learn. It's a wonderful experience for most. For these illegal kids, it's not even a foreign country they would go learn, it's their own country.

How can they possible say they would hate living in their own country? How can they possibly say with 100% certainty that travel to their own country would be a horrendous experience? And unless they've sat in a Mexican university classroom, listened to a Mexican professor lecture, how can they be so sure it would be awful or that they could never learn anything there?

Being a student in Mexico (and other countries I'm sure) is simply not the hideous experience the dream act kids want to pretend it is.
You know that they and their supporters will never admit to anything that does not further their agenda. If the truth doesn't work, lie.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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You know that they and their supporters will never admit to anything that does not further their agenda. If the truth doesn't work, lie.
That's what troubles me the most about advocates for illegal aliens is all the lying and smearing they do to further their agenda.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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That's what troubles me the most about advocates for illegal aliens is all the lying and smearing they do to further their agenda.
Even of their own country. They might wave their country's flag and pretend to be ever so proud of it, but the first thing they'll do is lie and claim that everyone is starving to death in the streets in their own country, and lie and claim there are no schools in their country, that a middle class doesn't exist, that no one has any opportunity to work hard and make it there.

They'll even lie hoping no one finds out otherwise and claim everyone in Mexico is unemployed when Mexico's unemployment has stayed around 4-5%.

These illegals think no American has ever traveled to Mexico to know that Mexico has some fine universities. But oh no, they can never be sent home because they could never obtain an education there. What they're really after is a free college education in the USA.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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Even of their own country. They might wave their country's flag and pretend to be ever so proud of it, but the first thing they'll do is lie and claim that everyone is starving to death in the streets in their own country, and lie and claim there are no schools in their country, that a middle class doesn't exist, that no one has any opportunity to work hard and make it there.

They'll even lie hoping no one finds out otherwise and claim everyone in Mexico is unemployed when Mexico's unemployment has stayed around 4-5%.

These illegals think no American has ever traveled to Mexico to know that Mexico has some fine universities. But oh no, they can never be sent home because they could never obtain an education there. What they're really after is a free college education in the USA.
In this country the lies are to claim that every state trying to enforce immigration law is based on racial profiling and are racist. They claim that that illegals are doing jobs that no American would do. They claim that they are a boon to our economy overall without factoring in their social costs to us and the added demands put on our resources. They claim that illegal immigration is not contributing to the demographic changes in our country. They claim that it is xenophobic to object to their presence here. The list of lies and smears goes on and on.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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Even of their own country. They might wave their country's flag and pretend to be ever so proud of it, but the first thing they'll do is lie and claim that everyone is starving to death in the streets in their own country, and lie and claim there are no schools in their country, that a middle class doesn't exist, that no one has any opportunity to work hard and make it there.

They'll even lie hoping no one finds out otherwise and claim everyone in Mexico is unemployed when Mexico's unemployment has stayed around 4-5%.

These illegals think no American has ever traveled to Mexico to know that Mexico has some fine universities. But oh no, they can never be sent home because they could never obtain an education there. What they're really after is a free college education in the USA.
Most certainly they would be able to study in Mexico, but I don't think that is the point. Children brought illegally grew in the US and have been longer in the US than they have been in Mexico, some of them feel a stronger connection to the US than to Mexico as this country is all that they know.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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Most certainly they would be able to study in Mexico, but I don't think that is the point. Children brought illegally grew in the US and have been longer in the US than they have been in Mexico, some of them feel a stronger connection to the US than to Mexico as this country is all that they know.
Too bad, so sad.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Too bad, so sad.
I do think is sad, these people have no country to stand on, they are hated here because their parents did something wrong, and they are hated in Mexico because they now feel American and not Mexican.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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In this country the lies are to claim that every state trying to enforce immigration law is based on racial profiling and are racist. They claim that that illegals are doing jobs that no American would do. They claim that they are a boon to our economy overall without factoring in their social costs to us and the added demands put on our resources. They claim that illegal immigration is not contributing to the demographic changes in our country. They claim that it is xenophobic to object to their presence here. The list of lies and smears goes on and on.

Very well stated, and so true, sad but true. I think the administration is trying to convince themselvelves of the very things they are trying to get us to believe, however, most of us already know the scope of the situation, and are not buying what they are telling us. I get so tired of this administration and them pulling ouf of their a-- the racial profiling bit or racist issues. Do they think most of us were born yesterday. They can smear it anyway they want, butter it really good, cause most of us are not buying what they are selling.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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I do think is sad, these people have no country to stand on, they are hated here because their parents did something wrong, and they are hated in Mexico because they now feel American and not Mexican.

Do you think it would mean enough to them to turn their parents in to the authorities to be deported and never allow their families a chance at citizenship?

Their parents did a horrible thing to them. If they understand the situation their parents put them in and would be willing to force their parents to pay the consequences I may back down a bit. If not, the children are harboring fugitives from the law and need to go back to their own country. Their parents didn't seem to mind so much when they came here and robbed the taxpayers of this country...the kids would adapt to their home countries just as their parents adapted here.
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