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Old 05-11-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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Why do state Republicans go through all the trouble upsetting the bed wetting pro-illegal liberals and La Raza types when they could easily pass laws levying a $1M fine per illegal worker working at a business and have the IRS audit the businesses to find discrepancies in employee related expenses? Why go through all the legal trouble the ACLU et. al. mount with jailing illegals when if you force businesses to fire all their illegal slaves, they'll all leave anyway?

Laws like SB1070 really treat the symptom, and not the underlying illness. What happens if SB1070 gets declared unconstitutional? Then what?
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Old 05-11-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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Why do state Republicans go through all the trouble upsetting the bed wetting pro-illegal liberals and La Raza types when they could easily pass laws levying a $1M fine per illegal worker working at a business and have the IRS audit the businesses to find discrepancies in employee related expenses? Why go through all the legal trouble the ACLU et. al. mount with jailing illegals when if you force businesses to fire all their illegal slaves, they'll all leave anyway?

Laws like SB1070 really treat the symptom, and not the underlying illness. What happens if SB1070 gets declared unconstitutional? Then what?
I dont know.

What scares me is it REALLY hitting the fan and decent people getting hurt by the idiots on BOTH sides unless we start seeing illegals go byebye and soon.
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:56 PM
 
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Why do state Republicans go through all the trouble upsetting the bed wetting pro-illegal liberals and La Raza types when they could easily pass laws levying a $1M fine per illegal worker working at a business and have the IRS audit the businesses to find discrepancies in employee related expenses? Why go through all the legal trouble the ACLU et. al. mount with jailing illegals when if you force businesses to fire all their illegal slaves, they'll all leave anyway?

Laws like SB1070 really treat the symptom, and not the underlying illness. What happens if SB1070 gets declared unconstitutional? Then what?
Because Republicans are beholden to corporate America and will never go against corporations, even if they break the law.
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:58 AM
 
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Yes, it would be best to go after the fines and penalize the corporations, plus cut off all welfare handouts to illegals.

Even the bleeding hearts who want to bring in all the poor people of the entire world have less sympathy for the greedy cheap labor types. The bleeding hearts want the businesses to pay much more so shouldn't have trouble with big fines and prison for breaking wage and labor laws.

And it shouldn't be too much of a problem to cut off food stamps, Medicaid, WIC and free housing to illegals even if they have anchor babies because the open borders side claims no illegal benefits from any welfare program at all - so it would be hard for the open borders side to do a 180 and demand that illegals can still show up in welfare offices to claim the food stamps and WIC.
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:27 AM
 
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Because Republicans are beholden to corporate America and will never go against corporations, even if they break the law.
What's the Democrats excuse then?
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:53 AM
 
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What's the Democrats excuse then?
That's what I want to know. Democrats are not enforcing federal law, yet accuse Republicans of being in bed with corps that hire illegals Wonderful logic eh? That's why I take whatever Savoir says with a grain of salt or just don't reply to his non-sense.



But anyway, I just feel that SB1070 is a way to make it look like they are fixing the problem, when they aren't tackling the root of the problem. I think they should abandon all SB1070-esque laws and go for broke by cutting off the legs of all businesses that hire illegals. After that, then force all police in the state to sign on to 287(g) to catch and deport the rest that haven't left after they were given the sack by their employer. You see how much less of a headache that was? As for jailing illegals for crossing the border without authorization, they could technically charge them with criminal trespass or something similar and have them jailed that way
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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That's what I want to know. Democrats are not enforcing federal law, yet accuse Republicans of being in bed with corps that hire illegals Wonderful logic eh? That's why I take whatever Savoir says with a grain of salt or just don't reply to his non-sense.



But anyway, I just feel that SB1070 is a way to make it look like they are fixing the problem, when they aren't tackling the root of the problem. I think they should abandon all SB1070-esque laws and go for broke by cutting off the legs of all businesses that hire illegals. After that, then force all police in the state to sign on to 287(g) to catch and deport the rest that haven't left after they were given the sack by their employer. You see how much less of a headache that was? As for jailing illegals for crossing the border without authorization, they could technically charge them with criminal trespass or something similar and have them jailed that way
Actually, my views on this is that both the employers and the illegal employees are equally guilty. So they both need to have our laws enforced against them.
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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Actually, my views on this is that both the employers and the illegal employees are equally guilty. So they both need to have our laws enforced against them.
Unfortunately the new enforcement bills introduced seem to have exceptions for the employers, or are overruled by big businesses.
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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Actually, my views on this is that both the employers and the illegal employees are equally guilty. So they both need to have our laws enforced against them.
Herein lies the problem. What IF the most crucial parts of SB1070 are deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS? Then we'll have NOTHING, short of severely penalizing businesses. Don't rely on SB1070-like laws when their future is uncertain. In other words, don't put all your eggs in one basket
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:27 AM
 
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Herein lies the problem. What IF the most crucial parts of SB1070 are deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS? Then we'll have NOTHING, short of severely penalizing businesses. Don't rely on SB1070-like laws when their future is uncertain. In other words, don't put all your eggs in one basket
The problem is though, that the powers that be aren't going after the employers like they should anymore than they are going after the illegals like they should. They are bucking e-verify also.
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