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Old 05-13-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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State after State is drawing up it's own laws against illegal immigration since nothing (or not near enough) at the Federal level is being done about it. Currently every law is being challenged yet the only "fix" Obama is toying with is simply another amnesty. We've seen massive demonstrations by people here illegally. At some point are we going to see a civil war if we step up enforcement or have a push to amnesty.


Either way the time to do something is long overdue. The time is now. What is Obama going to eventually do? This will be ugly either way. Reform is meant to "fix" or better something. I don't see how creating an open border with insane numbers of immigration is a "fix" to anything especially when we let in more poor than people that pay taxes.
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Old 05-13-2011, 06:10 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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State after State is drawing up it's own laws against illegal immigration since nothing (or not near enough) at the Federal level is being done about it. Currently every law is being challenged yet the only "fix" Obama is toying with is simply another amnesty. We've seen massive demonstrations by people here illegally. At some point are we going to see a civil war if we step up enforcement or have a push to amnesty.


Either way the time to do something is long overdue. The time is now. What is Obama going to eventually do? This will be ugly either way. Reform is meant to "fix" or better something. I don't see how creating an open border with insane numbers of immigration is a "fix" to anything especially when we let in more poor than people that pay taxes.
I am glad states are doing what they can...or something like it.

Now as far as the amnesty, it seems like people haven't learned a thing from what happened in 1986.
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Old 05-13-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I am glad states are doing what they can...or something like it.

Now as far as the amnesty, it seems like people haven't learned a thing from what happened in 1986.
We've learned that if you have one it will draw even more people here illegally with the hopes of getting in on the next one. Once you are a Citizen the social service safety net is ripe for the picking. At the very least we need to close the 14th loophole that allows illegal immigrants social services through them.
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Old 05-13-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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Reform means changing something. What are they changing? Giving millions of illegal aliens amnesty/legalization is not "changing" our immigration laws it is just disrespecting them.
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Old 05-13-2011, 06:21 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment and subsequent ratification.
...by either two-thirds of both houses of the United States Congress

or by a national convention ... at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds of the several states.



It should be a whole lot simpler to just pass a few laws to amend the overly broad language in the 14th.
If someone up there actually wanted to.

It's not like they haven't had DECADES to do it...
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Old 05-13-2011, 06:24 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment and subsequent ratification.
...by either two-thirds of both houses of the United States Congress

or by a national convention ... at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds of the several states.



It should be a whole lot simpler to just pass a few laws to amend the overly broad language in the 14th.
If someone up there actually wanted to.

It's not like they haven't had DECADES to do it...

And why that hasn't been done yet is beyond me.
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Old 05-13-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment and subsequent ratification.
...by either two-thirds of both houses of the United States Congress

or by a national convention ... at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds of the several states.



It should be a whole lot simpler to just pass a few laws to amend the overly broad language in the 14th.
If someone up there actually wanted to.

It's not like they haven't had DECADES to do it...
Probably because it's been a 2-party system for the most part for that same amount of time. It should be by vote, the same as we put a President in office.
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