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Old 05-16-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
The police will ask you on the street for your legal documents and if you don't have them they will send you on a plane back to your country.

Thats not racist.
Japan does something similar.

Police there have carte blanche to ask any foreigner for identification and failure to have it may involve a trip to jail. Also if you plan on living there you are supposed to register with the local police station.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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What do you think?

Passport, USCIS papers, Valid Visa if you are here on one.
Most people carry some sort of ID...
About 37% of Americans have a U.S. passport (data from January 2011). Having a passport is different from actually carrying it on a daily basis. Within the United States it would prove citizenship, but there are no agencies that can require that you (as a U.S. citizen) provide that proof on demand.

The Border Patrol has a range of 100 miles from any boundary of the United States, and major inland airports that are a Port of Entry from other countries. Permanent checkpoints (in an established long-term location, and with at least one permanent structure) are treated as being "adjacent" to the border, with lower search and seizure requirements. Temporary checkpoints and vehicle stops must gain consent to search if there is no visible evidence of an illegal alien or drugs (a drug-detection dog alerting outside the vehicle is enough probable cause to search).

Generally the Border Patrol asks for a verbal statement of citizenship. You can refuse to answer, and suffer no legal repercussions. For an excellent source on most aspects of Border Patrol checkpoints, look over Terry Bressi's checkpointusa.org.

"USCIS papers" may be adequate for things like "Adjustment of Status" or proving a transition before receiving more permanent documentation, but you aren't going to get over the border with it. That documentation is going to be as cryptic as the visas themselves, and police agencies are usually going to be uninformed of all the different types. Usually it is a USCIS officer stationed at the larger jails checking all of the immigration statuses of detainees brought in.

Most people carry ID (driver's licenses, military ID) that does not prove U.S. citizenship...
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:37 PM
 
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Japan does something similar.

Police there have carte blanche to ask any foreigner for identification and failure to have it may involve a trip to jail. Also if you plan on living there you are supposed to register with the local police station.
In our country though doing so is considered to be racial profiling and racism by certain groups.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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What do you think?

Passport, USCIS papers, Valid Visa if you are here on one.
Most people carry some sort of ID.

Its cheaper to put them on a plane & send them home, than paying to keep them.
You supose in your mind that this law just would be applied to illegal aliens...if any law like this passes, you[as well as everyone else] would have to carry a "legal document"...

if that is the case, then a national ID card would have to be instituted.

IDs but not indicators of citizenship.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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That's why I think a birth certificate should be mandatory when applying for state IDs and Driver's Licenses.

If the person is a legal resident, she/he has to carry their Green Card, therefore would be able to prove they are in the country legally...with our without a driver's license.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:44 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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You supose in your mind that this law just would be applied to illegal aliens...if any law like this passes, you[as well as everyone else] would have to carry a "legal document"...
So?

Let's stop being wussies and stop questioning everything and do what it needs to be done to enforce our immigration laws.

I carry my passport at all times...along with my driver's license and another form of ID.

What's the big deal?!
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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You supose in your mind that this law just would be applied to illegal aliens...if any law like this passes, you[as well as everyone else] would have to carry a "legal document"...

if that is the case, then a national ID card would have to be instituted.

IDs but not indicators of citizenship.
I have no problem with a national ID card or any other form of ID that I would be required to carry to prove my legal residency in this country. What's the big deal? We already carry our DL everywhere we go.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:46 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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I have no problem with a national ID card or any other form of ID that I would be required to carry to prove my legal residency in this country. What's the big deal? We already carry our DL everywhere we go.
The big deal? The big deal is that illegal aliens wouldn't be eligible for such IDs and the bleeding hearts cannot allow our laws to be enforced, they cannot allow authorities to apprehend them and deport them.

It would be a heartless thing to do.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...We need biometric IDs and that would solve the issue once and for all. No one will have to carry around "papers" as the pro illegals want to make us believe.
I for one do not look forward to a time that biometric data has to be used solely to prove who I am, when I am not committing a crime...
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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I for one do not look forward to a time that biometric data has to be used solely to prove who I am, when I am not committing a crime...

You might not be committing a crime but you can't speak for everyone else.
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