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Old 05-20-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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513 in two trucks!! Wow that is absolutely disgusting.
And there are hundreds of other trucks heading our way, not to mention the many buses.

A lot of illegals just ride the buses to the border and get to a border town on their own before they find someone working for the cartels who they pay to smuggle them over. If they do it that way it can cost only $600 and even less to get over.

I really don't understand why they're paying these cartel rings $7000 except it saves the hassles of changing buses.
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Old 05-20-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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I really don't understand why they're paying these cartel rings $7000 except it saves the hassles of changing buses.
I guess the farther away you are from the US border the more expensive it gets... Also drug cartel presence has increased heavily in the past few years, that could be driving the smuggling price up
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Old 05-20-2011, 09:48 AM
 
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I was just thinking this. Why are you applauding them for? The majority of illegals that cross the border are MEXICANS. Why don't the Mexican authorities prevent Mexicans from crossing the border?
I was just going to ask the same thing! Why? Because the Mexican presidente is more than happy to have Gringo dollars pouring into his country from illegal Mexican immigrants in the USA. Doesn't matter where they are frlom. If they can afford the $7000 to pay a coyote then they can afford the $1000 fee to immigrate LEGALLY. The fact that they don't try to do it through legal channels tells me that they have something to hide which would prevent them from being approved.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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I was just going to ask the same thing! Why? Because the Mexican presidente is more than happy to have Gringo dollars pouring into his country from illegal Mexican immigrants in the USA. Doesn't matter where they are frlom. If they can afford the $7000 to pay a coyote then they can afford the $1000 fee to immigrate LEGALLY. The fact that they don't try to do it through legal channels tells me that they have something to hide which would prevent them from being approved.
There is no way for many of them to immigrate to the US legally... can you clarify what you mean by the 1000 fee? Immigration from Mexico to the US (not including family sponsored) is just trough employment. The employment has to be skilled employment which means they need to hold studies equivalent to a US bachelors degree at the very least.

There are also unskilled work visas, but those also require employment, are capped to a certain number and require the employeer to demonstrate the need for foreign workers, and do not offer a path for permanent residence.

In short, most of the illegals that cross have no practical way of getting to the US legally... I'm not saying is right, I'm just stating the fact.
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Old 05-20-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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There is no way for many of them to immigrate to the US legally... can you clarify what you mean by the 1000 fee? Immigration from Mexico to the US (not including family sponsored) is just trough employment. The employment has to be skilled employment which means they need to hold studies equivalent to a US bachelors degree at the very least.

There are also unskilled work visas, but those also require employment, are capped to a certain number and require the employeer to demonstrate the need for foreign workers, and do not offer a path for permanent residence.

In short, most of the illegals that cross have no practical way of getting to the US legally... I'm not saying is right, I'm just stating the fact.
Therein lies the problem. There are more "immigrants" (in particular those from south of our border) that want to come here than we can accomodate in jobs and resources and that is precisely why we have limits to legal immigration every year. We also don't want to import a lot of immigrants with no jobs skills or much of an education. Our quotas need to be fair to all potential immigrants also. Having most of them from one ethnic group is not fair to the others.

Now you can see why there is an anti-illegal immigration movement. I don't understand how any loyal American can advocate or sympathize with these illegals when they are a detriment to our society and to our sane legal immigraton policies.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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There is no way for many of them to immigrate to the US legally... can you clarify what you mean by the 1000 fee? Immigration from Mexico to the US (not including family sponsored) is just trough employment. The employment has to be skilled employment which means they need to hold studies equivalent to a US bachelors degree at the very least.

There are also unskilled work visas, but those also require employment, are capped to a certain number and require the employeer to demonstrate the need for foreign workers, and do not offer a path for permanent residence.

In short, most of the illegals that cross have no practical way of getting to the US legally... I'm not saying is right, I'm just stating the fact.
Sure there is. The US admits more immigrants than any other nation. We also admit more Mexicans than any other group. Our immigration system is more than fair to Mexicans.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:38 AM
 
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Therein lies the problem. There are more "immigrants" (in particular those from south of our border) that want to come here than we can accomodate in jobs and resources and that is precisely why we have limits to legal immigration every year. We also don't want to import a lot of immigrants with no jobs skills or much of an education. Our quotas need to be fair to all potential immigrants also. Having most of them from one ethnic group is not fair to the others.

Now you can see why there is an anti-illegal immigration movement. I don't understand how any loyal American can advocate or sympathize with these illegals when they are a detriment to our society and to our sane legal immigraton policies.
I understand the limits and I agree that limits are necessary... I was just stating the fact that for a Mexican with no education there is pretty much no way to immigrate to the US

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Sure there is. The US admits more immigrants than any other nation. We also admit more Mexicans than any other group. Our immigration system is more than fair to Mexicans.
The US does admit more immigrants than any other nation, but for a un-educated Mexican there is simply no way to legally immigrate to the US...

The options are:

TN or H1B visas: Skilled workers, bachelors an up, who have to maintain employment at all times can apply for a green card, the process to get the green card and become a permanent resident in average takes 6-8 years

H2A & H2B visas: Un-skilled workers such as agricultural/construction etc. H2B is restricted to 10,000 year, with a 1 year permit (extendable upon approval by the DOL)... H2A(agriculture) depends on how many visas the DOL thinks are necessary... Using this visa you cannot request a green card. THe maximum amount of time an individual can stay with this visa is 3 years.

Marriage

Family: 1rst class: You need to be a minor whose parents are permanent residents or citizens. Or parents of a citizen (not legal resident)

2nd class: Brothers, sisters, adult sons & daughters... Can apply for a green card, the approval takes up to 6 years I believe (I might be wrong on the time in this one but it is several years)

If you know other way please tell me...
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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I understand the limits and I agree that limits are necessary... I was just stating the fact that for a Mexican with no education there is pretty much no way to immigrate to the US



The US does admit more immigrants than any other nation, but for a un-educated Mexican there is simply no way to legally immigrate to the US...

The options are:

TN or H1B visas: Skilled workers, bachelors an up, who have to maintain employment at all times can apply for a green card, the process to get the green card and become a permanent resident in average takes 6-8 years

H2A & H2B visas: Un-skilled workers such as agricultural/construction etc. H2B is restricted to 10,000 year, with a 1 year permit (extendable upon approval by the DOL)... H2A(agriculture) depends on how many visas the DOL thinks are necessary... Using this visa you cannot request a green card. THe maximum amount of time an individual can stay with this visa is 3 years.

Marriage

Family: 1rst class: You need to be a minor whose parents are permanent residents or citizens. Or parents of a citizen (not legal resident)

2nd class: Brothers, sisters, adult sons & daughters... Can apply for a green card, the approval takes up to 6 years I believe (I might be wrong on the time in this one but it is several years)

If you know other way please tell me...
If an un-educated person does not fulfill the requirements then why should the US accept that person? There are many educated, skilled people waiting to get in, and the US allows fewer people from other countries.

Just because there's no way to legally immigrate doesn't give the person the right to break our immigration laws and come illegally.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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I understand the limits and I agree that limits are necessary... I was just stating the fact that for a Mexican with no education there is pretty much no way to immigrate to the US



The US does admit more immigrants than any other nation, but for a un-educated Mexican there is simply no way to legally immigrate to the US...

The options are:

TN or H1B visas: Skilled workers, bachelors an up, who have to maintain employment at all times can apply for a green card, the process to get the green card and become a permanent resident in average takes 6-8 years

H2A & H2B visas: Un-skilled workers such as agricultural/construction etc. H2B is restricted to 10,000 year, with a 1 year permit (extendable upon approval by the DOL)... H2A(agriculture) depends on how many visas the DOL thinks are necessary... Using this visa you cannot request a green card. THe maximum amount of time an individual can stay with this visa is 3 years.

Marriage

Family: 1rst class: You need to be a minor whose parents are permanent residents or citizens. Or parents of a citizen (not legal resident)

2nd class: Brothers, sisters, adult sons & daughters... Can apply for a green card, the approval takes up to 6 years I believe (I might be wrong on the time in this one but it is several years)

If you know other way please tell me...
So, we should simply ignore our laws and requirements to accommodate low-skilled, uneducated Mexicans? Immigration should benefit the host country, not simply be a refuge for foreigners, especially not to the detriment of citizens. Why not help Mexicans fight for a better life in Mexico? How will their country ever improve if we continue to be their safety valve? Moreover, what about our own unemployed and uneducated?
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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If an un-educated person does not fulfill the requirements then why should the US accept that person? There are many educated, skilled people waiting to get in, and the US allows fewer people from other countries.

Just because there's no way to legally immigrate doesn't give the person the right to break our immigration laws and come illegally.
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So, we should simply ignore our laws and requirements to accommodate low-skilled, uneducated Mexicans? Immigration should benefit the host country, not simply be a refuge for foreigners, especially not to the detriment of citizens. Why not help Mexicans fight for a better life in Mexico? How will their country ever improve if we continue to be their safety valve? Moreover, what about our own unemployed and uneducated?
OMG! I was just stating the fact that its impossible... Cyanna said... "why wont they come legally" I just stated the fact that is impossible... THATS IT

I never said the us should ignore laws, nor did I said it should accommodate the low skilled immigrants of Mexico... I stated a fact
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