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Old 05-20-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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What is he whining about?
Bland aint whining: he MANS up and does the right thing. Other growers need to take the hint.
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Bland aint whining: he MANS up and does the right thing. Other growers need to take the hint.
He is still bringing in foreign workers instead of hiring unemployed Americans. The problem with these produce farmers is that, like other greedy employers, they want to rake in more and more profit, but don't want to pay a decent wage to those who help them get their product to market. I've picked cotton, and I've also grown my own fruit and vegetables, in a two acre plot. Its HARD work! Its dirty, backbreaking work. It is deserving of higher pay to compensate for the the damage that will be done to ones body over time. We don't bat and eye over the fact that actors, sports players, musicians, etc... are raking in MILLIONS of dollars for merely entertaining us, yet employers balk when it comes to paying a decent wage to those who are trying to raise families, pay for life's necessities and medical bills, etc. What the hell is wrong with society?
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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He is still bringing in foreign workers instead of hiring unemployed Americans. The problem with these produce farmers is that, like other greedy employers, they want to rake in more and more profit, but don't want to pay a decent wage to those who help them get their product to market. I've picked cotton, and I've also grown my own fruit and vegetables, in a two acre plot. Its HARD work! Its dirty, backbreaking work. It is deserving of higher pay to compensate for the the damage that will be done to ones body over time. We don't bat and eye over the fact that actors, sports players, musicians, etc... are raking in MILLIONS of dollars for merely entertaining us, yet employers balk when it comes to paying a decent wage to those who are trying to raise families, pay for life's necessities and medical bills, etc. What the hell is wrong with society?
The wage is set by the department of labor not the employer, if he wants to bring temporary workers he needs to demonstrate that not enough American workers are there to take the job.

My point is, I don't think people following the rules should be criticized, the ones that hire illegal immigrants should, as those are bringing the wages down.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The wage is set by the department of labor not the employer, if he wants to bring temporary workers he needs to demonstrate that not enough American workers are there to take the job.

My point is, I don't think people following the rules should be criticized, the ones that hire illegal immigrants should, as those are bringing the wages down.
Granted, this video relates to H1B visas, but Iím sure the same unethical practices are used by employers to qualify for participation in the H2A visa program. Also, it is my understanding the prevailing wage is required to be paid under H2A, although without proper oversight, employers will pay as they choose.


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Old 05-24-2011, 10:51 PM
 
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Granted, this video relates to H1B visas, but Iím sure the same unethical practices are used by employers to qualify for participation in the H2A visa program. Also, it is my understanding the prevailing wage is required to be paid under H2A, although without proper oversight, employers will pay as they choose.


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So you roam around the forum requesting precise information, numbers, studies and now you claim fraud on the H2A program with a video related to H1B...

Well to begin with the video is talking about the PERM application which is used to file for permanent residence for an H1B worker, in the case a US worker is found the H1B cannot become a permanent resident until none are found... H2A does not have this procedure at all... there is no PERM because H2A is a non-immigrant visa.
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Old 05-24-2011, 11:00 PM
 
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One of my best friend's is from North Dakota and every year they manage to get crops in around their towns WITHOUT hiring illegals or so-called "guest workers." Not only do they recruit from throughout the towns in N.D., they also recruit American workers from other states, provide them with decent shelter, and pay them a FAIR wage! Her family have been farming this area for well over 140 years and have never yet hired illegals or other non-Americans.
Farming in ND is a lot smaller scale and easier to do than large fruit/vegetable farms. Their primary crops are wheat/barley/soybeans so they don't need people on the ground working. They are hiring a tractor driver or two and a truck driver or two at the most. The only farmers doing anything larger that require people on the ground are sugar beet farmers (mostly in MN, along the border though) and a large percentage of their workers are illegal immigrants hired to work the fields and pilers. How do I know? I drove truck for Crystal Sugar for the beet harvest there multiple years.

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