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Old 05-30-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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Only if you are out advocating another 40 or 50 billion to ICE et al.

Otherwise you are advocating a position you are not willing to pay for.
Your figures, not ICE's. There is very little associated costs for voluntary deportations. No one is saying they would all deport but a good many of them would with the incentives to remain here taken away. This isn't about costs anyway but the rule of law. It costs us billions to protect this country on foreign soil. It makes no sense not to spend the money here and protect and enforce our own borders.

 
Old 05-30-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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"Your figures, not ICE's. There is very little associated costs for voluntary deportations. No one is saying they would all deport but a good many of them would with the incentives to remain here taken away. This isn't about costs anyway but the rule of law. It costs us billions to protect this country on foreign soil. It makes no sense not to spend the money here and protect and enforce our own borders."

Someone has finally said it.

All of this angst over protecting the rights and freedoms of citizens as intended by a constitution written by a countries founders is not the point; you're stretching that document to the breaking point by extending it's coverage to people who it was never intended to cover and further, who do not give a rat's patoot about the rest of the document dealing with the "responsibilities of each and every citizen". You are applying refugee-like status to these particular people who do not fit that descriptor at all!

I am trying hard to understand why our two countries are having such trouble grappling with this problem when laws are already written and enforcible and further, are sworn to be upheld by elected officers at every oath of office they undertake. where is it acceptable we allow these officials to pick and choose the ones they will throw their weight behind?

These are not citizens; they're illegal first and foremost. Once you've established that, there just isn't room for any further debate about rights and freedoms as it applies to them. Please help me understand as I'm not seeing the conundrum.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 05:51 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Your figures, not ICE's. There is very little associated costs for voluntary deportations. No one is saying they would all deport but a good many of them would with the incentives to remain here taken away. This isn't about costs anyway but the rule of law. It costs us billions to protect this country on foreign soil. It makes no sense not to spend the money here and protect and enforce our own borders.
anti-dreams.

Let us all stand in a circle and wish real hard. "Aliens go home"

Again...all...wish real hard...

Nah did not work.

So we are back to they won't leave because we wish it.

So where are we going to get the billions from to do this? And the personnel?
 
Old 05-30-2011, 05:56 PM
 
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anti-dreams.

Let us all stand in a circle and wish real hard. "Aliens go home"

Again...all...wish real hard...

Nah did not work.

So we are back to they won't leave because we wish it.

So where are we going to get the billions from to do this? And the personnel?
Can't you read? There are little to no associated costs to self-deportations. We don't need to "wish" it would happen, it would with little to no incentives left to remain here. I would be happy with even a 60% reduction in illegal aliens in this manner.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 06:04 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Can't you read? There are little to no associated costs to self-deportations. We don't need to "wish" it would happen, it would with little to no incentives left to remain here. I would be happy with even a 60% reduction in illegal aliens in this manner.
I am sure you would be...and if it is 2%? That turn you on?

You have seen the ultimate motivator of self deportation. A really lousey econmy. I believe we lost 8% or so here in Las Vegas. And most of those went somewhere else in the US.

So given that no jobs does not send them home you have some other tool?

You really need to face reality. They are here for the long haul and unless you can tap some large source of funding that is how it will be.

You need to stay real. They will not leave becuause you wish it.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 06:37 PM
 
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I am sure you would be...and if it is 2%? That turn you on?

You have seen the ultimate motivator of self deportation. A really lousey econmy. I believe we lost 8% or so here in Las Vegas. And most of those went somewhere else in the US.

So given that no jobs does not send them home you have some other tool?

You really need to face reality. They are here for the long haul and unless you can tap some large source of funding that is how it will be.

You need to stay real. They will not leave becuause you wish it.
It isn't just about the denial of jobs. That's only one part of the removal of incentives and they've already been posted in here over and over. And being a realist I will tell you that they won't be here for the long haul as much as you want them to be. Mark my word, and that is all I will say about it for now except they won't be removed by "wishes". You and your fellow pro-illegals are going to be in for a rude awakening.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 07:05 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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It isn't just about the denial of jobs. That's only one part of the removal of incentives and they've already been posted in here over and over. And being a realist I will tell you that they won't be here for the long haul as much as you want them to be. Mark my word, and that is all I will say about it for now except they won't be removed by "wishes". You and your fellow pro-illegals are going to be in for a rude awakening.
Whack the dead horse...whack..whack...whack...

Did it get up?

Hit it some more...
 
Old 05-30-2011, 07:32 PM
 
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Whack the dead horse...whack..whack...whack...

Did it get up?

Hit it some more...
The joke's on you. The horse was never dead in the first place. Keep dreaming that your precious illegals are going to be able to stay. It will keep you entertained for awhile anyway.

Amnesty got "whacked" over and over and it will continue to get whacked. Only this time around the illegals are going to get whacked over the border.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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The joke's on you. The horse was never dead in the first place. Keep dreaming that your precious illegals are going to be able to stay. It will keep you entertained for awhile anyway.

Amnesty got "whacked" over and over and it will continue to get whacked. Only this time around the illegals are going to get whacked over the border.
They are not my illegals and I would willing send them all home were it in my power.

Now hit the horse again...whack whack whack...did it get up?
 
Old 05-30-2011, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Actually around here there are so many brown skinned guys that mostly the cops hassle black guys. "Driving while black" is a well known cause for a traffic stop.

Whatever turns the cop on I guess...
Im cool with racial profiling. Most ILLEGAL aliens in the USA have brown skin, sad to say.
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