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Old 05-31-2011, 01:06 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
Local police already enforce federal drug laws.

They should be able to enforce Federal immigration laws.

Why you don't want illegals deported?
Actually they don't. Local police need specific authority from the feds and generally a state law to enforce federal statutes. Mostly local LEOs enforce state laws that parallel federal ones.

Locals have authority to enforce certain immigration laws with respect to criminal aliens...but not all immigration laws.

 
Old 05-31-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Actually they don't. Local police need specific authority from the feds and generally a state law to enforce federal statutes. Mostly local LEOs enforce state laws that parallel federal ones.

Locals have authority to enforce certain immigration laws with respect to criminal aliens...but not all immigration laws.
And that is what is being advocated to be changed. Law enforcement should enforce all laws with fear that the feds will, while they break the laws themselves, over rule them.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Right on the money. I would add further that the driver is "detained", but not necessarily the passengers (if able they could request to leave). Unless the stop goes into a further search of the vehicle the passengers won't be questioned or searched themselves.

This should be fairly well understood and established; It is the most common police interaction with the public, happening thousands of times every day across the United States...
That is why I like the program that Escondido implemented. They have ICE out in the field and can have the agent to the stop post haste.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 04:17 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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[quote=All American NYC;19384040]Local police already enforce federal drug laws.

They should be able to enforce Federal immigration laws.

Why you don't want illegals deported?[/quote]


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They should be able to enforce Federal immigration laws.
Do you think Its me saying that local police are not able to enforce federal immigration law? Actually LEO are able to enforce Federal imigration law if the partner with DHS/ICE under the 287(g) program. LE agencies just cant do it on their own...without federal training and oversight. That is the federal government saying that, not me.

Dont personalize this.

Last edited by 1751texan; 05-31-2011 at 04:26 PM..
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Sure. We can handle deporting 400,000 or so illegals. That is roughly enough to maintain a population of illegals that is below 250,000. If we reduce the illegals to about 250,000 and keep the pressure up we can hold it there. We might even have to increase the enforcement by 50 or 100%. But we could, if we chose, use that resource to actually hold the number of illegals at some low level.

We may not do that of course. But we could. We have no rational way to deal with ten million.
What is your fixation with deportation? For the umpteenth time. . . . mass deportation will not be necessary if we strictly enforce our current laws, deny ALL benefits and services, and eliminate their ability to work.

Ten million illegals? You must be referring to California alone. You certainly canít mean the entire country.

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That is simply the anti dream. They need little if anything. They don't have to work for the unscruplous...mostly for relatives and friends.
Any employer that would knowingly hire illegal aliens is indeed unscrupulous. And, your notion that they will be employed by family and friends is simply a pipe dream. Even if it were possible, which it most assuredly is not, they would still need government assistance to survive.

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So an even better way to move out the illegals is a lousey economy. That of course has its own costs.
Our economy in is the tank, yet illegals enter our country daily. Havenít you heard? The U.S. is a free-for-all. Illegals donít have to worry about a job. All they have to do is give birth, and . . . . . voila!

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And I would think the illegals respond just as the Las Vegas construction worker. YOu go where there is work and harrassment is low. But at this point that is not going to cause a big exodus to Mexico. Probably more a move to the Dakotas.
Where will they go when they canít get a job, and are unwelcome everywhere in this country, even the Dakotas?

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The mistake in 1988 was not the amnesty. That made pretty good sense. It was that the follow on to stop any further inmigration did not occur.
We were fooled once into believing amnesty would solve our problem. We would have to be morons to believe it again. It would be Amnesty Debacle II. Only, this time, the results would be far more devastating.

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You continue to beat your dead horse...and I will continue to point it out. You guys prevent amnesty. The other half of the population prevents deportation. The result is the worst case.

Be proud.
You are truly delusional if you actually believe that half of the citizens of this country support amnesty. In fact, amnesty is one of the few issues with bipartisan opposition.

You didnít answer my question, so Iíll ask again. If it is too expensive to enforce our current immigration laws, how will we suddenly have the resources to enforce ďnewĒ laws proposed by CIR? Illegal immigration is already bankrupting this country without illegals being eligible for many benefits. Imagine the astronomical costs if we legalized their status.

Moreover, who will pay for criminal background checks on 12-30 million illegals -- many, with several aliases? Who will pay for the medical exams, tax investigations, etc? And, please donít say illegal aliens will pay, because we know darn well they wonít. Furthermore, if our government canít even monitor current visa programs, how on earth will there be adequate oversight to ensure the amnestied illegals remain compliant?

You are entitled to believe that we must throw in the towel, and allow illegal aliens to subjugate this country (your dream). And, I am entitled to believe otherwise. Ultimately, we will see whose horse is dead.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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What is your fixation with deportation? For the umpteenth time. . . . mass deportation will not be necessary if we strictly enforce our current laws, deny ALL benefits and services, and eliminate their ability to work.

Ten million illegals? You must be referring to California alone. You certainly canít mean the entire country.



Any employer that would knowingly hire illegal aliens is indeed unscrupulous. And, your notion that they will be employed by family and friends is simply a pipe dream. Even if it were possible, which it most assuredly is not, they would still need government assistance to survive.



Our economy in is the tank, yet illegals enter our country daily. Havenít you heard? The U.S. is a free-for-all. Illegals donít have to worry about a job. All they have to do is give birth, and . . . . . voila!



Where will they go when they canít get a job, and are unwelcome everywhere in this country, even the Dakotas?



We were fooled once into believing amnesty would solve our problem. We would have to be morons to believe it again. It would be Amnesty Debacle II. Only, this time, the results would be far more devastating.



You are truly delusional if you actually believe that half of the citizens of this country support amnesty. In fact, amnesty is one of the few issues with bipartisan opposition.

You didnít answer my question, so Iíll ask again. If it is too expensive to enforce our current immigration laws, how will we suddenly have the resources to enforce ďnewĒ laws proposed by CIR? Illegal immigration is already bankrupting this country without illegals being eligible for many benefits. Imagine the astronomical costs if we legalized their status.

Moreover, who will pay for criminal background checks on 12-30 million illegals -- many, with several aliases? Who will pay for the medical exams, tax investigations, etc? And, please donít say illegal aliens will pay, because we know darn well they wonít. Furthermore, if our government canít even monitor current visa programs, how on earth will there be adequate oversight to ensure the amnestied illegals remain compliant?

You are entitled to believe that we must throw in the towel, and allow illegal aliens to subjugate this country (your dream). And, I am entitled to believe otherwise. Ultimately, we will see whose horse is dead.
When was the last time we've seen an article on illegal immigration that wasn't almost entirely against illegal immigration in the comments? A large poll of people?

I'm thinking never.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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When was the last time we've seen an article on illegal immigration that wasn't almost entirely against illegal immigration in the comments? A large poll of people?

I'm thinking never.
You're thinking right.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:48 PM
 
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you have a understanding that laws are given or granted, there is another way to change law, when a majority of American want change, they recind or amend a law.

"There are SO many other things that I believe the majority wants".

These are your words...dont run form them now!

If a majority of Americans dont find this a problem, then America has spoken.
No dog in this hunt but I believe you're being diliberately obtuse. The poster is merely implying that "regardless of what an overwhelming majority of American citizens wish for or feel prudent; legislaters are governed by other concerns such as lobby groups or constituents that perhaps rely on illegal labour to maximize shareholder profits. He is saying as a comparator that he will be able to fly to the moon and sing like Aretha before legislaters will take their heads out of their butts and deal with the issue of illegal immigration.

My sincere apologies to the poster "Bandon" if I have overstepped the boundaries in attempting to quell this obfuscation nonsense from 1751texan. Your point was perfectly clear to myself and I suspect anyone else without an 'agenda'.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Ten million illegals? You must be referring to California alone. You certainly canít mean the entire country...
How are you gauging the number of illegal aliens in California from where you live?...
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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How are you gauging the number of illegal aliens in California from where you live?...
I think that's my fault. Damn with the transfer of experiences.


I didn't have to be on the ground during Hiroshima to know it was horrendous.
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