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Old 05-28-2011, 08:02 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Equal Protection Under the Law...

Find out what it means...
Equal requirements under the law.

Find out what it means...

 
Old 05-28-2011, 08:17 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Perhaps that, and those few that believe as you do, is what is causing the problem. Along with a lack of enforcement of existing laws having to prove your legal status when stopped would certainly identify the number of illegals and aid in their deportation.



If you are so concerned, you would carry identification that they would match you to. Instead, you seem to be saying that you would go out of your way to cause a problem so that you could complain about it.

Not really a supporter of any law, are you.
You are opposed to the Constitution? The fourth amendment is insufficiently clear?

And you accuse others of not supporting the law?
 
Old 05-28-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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You are opposed to the Constitution? The fourth amendment is insufficiently clear?

And you accuse others of not supporting the law?
Supporting existing laws and new laws is against the contitution? The fourth amendment is ignored at will by the liberals who claim that the constitution is a fluid and ever changing document. Is that supporting the strict letter of the law?

Yes, I accuse other of not supporting the law. From the tone of your statement, you are one of them.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 10:12 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Supporting existing laws and new laws is against the contitution? The fourth amendment is ignored at will by the liberals who claim that the constitution is a fluid and ever changing document. Is that supporting the strict letter of the law?

Yes, I accuse other of not supporting the law. From the tone of your statement, you are one of them.
The law is quite clear but you don't appear to like it, Read Hiibel. The minority justices would have held that Hiibel did not have to even state his name. The majority stated that was all he had to do.

And this was in a case where the police had reasonable cause to seek the man's identity as a crime had at least been alleged.

So it is your view that is antagonistic to the law...and it is you who are supporting unconstitutional procedures.

It is an old and hallowed tradition to prevent the state from intruding where it does not belong. Considered sufficiently important to differentiate from the English Common law as to require a specific amendment.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You never know..they could be "potential terrorists" or "potential cartel members".
Maybe local law enforcement should use the same tactics the Fed is doing on citizens.

Everyone could be a potential terrorist..guilty until proven innocent.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 05:49 PM
 
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The law is quite clear but you don't appear to like it, Read Hiibel. The minority justices would have held that Hiibel did not have to even state his name. The majority stated that was all he had to do.

And this was in a case where the police had reasonable cause to seek the man's identity as a crime had at least been alleged.

So it is your view that is antagonistic to the law...and it is you who are supporting unconstitutional procedures.
I support laws and their enforcement when they make sense. Giving more leeway to already illegal persons does not make sense. I am working to change the law. Do you support laws that give preferential treatment to criminals? You certainly sound as if you do, by your statements. Or are you a sheep that just follows laws that you don't agree with for the sake of not hurting the criminals feelings?

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It is an old and hallowed tradition to prevent the state from intruding where it does not belong. Considered sufficiently important to differentiate from the English Common law as to require a specific amendment.
Slavery is an old and hallowed tradition. Goes back to the bible times.
Horse theft is an old and hallowed tradition. Plains Indians.
Not knowing what you are talking about is an old and hallowed tradition. Liberals.

Your arguments lack credence.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 05:56 PM
 
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I support laws and their enforcement when they make sense. Giving more leeway to already illegal persons does not make sense. I am working to change the law. Do you support laws that give preferential treatment to criminals? You certainly sound as if you do, by your statements. Or are you a sheep that just follows laws that you don't agree with for the sake of not hurting the criminals feelings?
The Constitution and particularly its amendments were written to protect against people with your views. See above in this thread. It is not the robber baron...but the well intentioned zealot who does away with liberty.


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Slavery is an old and hallowed tradition. Goes back to the bible times.
Horse theft is an old and hallowed tradition. Plains Indians.
Not knowing what you are talking about is an old and hallowed tradition. Liberals.

Your arguments lack credence.
and yours lacks substance. Emotion is a bad way to govern.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Pa
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iight, of its not racial profiling, who would the police ask most? Who would be the first to be questioned?
The vast majority of offenders are?????
Hispanics from south of the border. It would make sense to focus first on the majority.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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Its not racial profiling. Many countries do it and it works.

The police job is to protect & serve the community.

By not asking a persons legal status is not Protecting the community.
Other countries don't have our Constitution.

We simply have to fix this problem Constitutionally.

Forget "feelings" on both sides of the political spectrum.

We are a nation of laws.

Until we prosecute everyone involved to the fullest extent of the LAW, we will continue to fail at this.

We also NEED to permanently close the borders, except for several check points.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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I'm continually amazed by those calling themselves "American", but willing to throw away key tenets of the Constitution in a brief moment...
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