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Old 05-28-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Police should have the right to question legal status during ANY criminal investigation, or when they have probable cause to suspect illegal status, such as, groups of “day laborers” in Home Depot parking lots, or other sites frequented by illegal aliens. After all, it is still against the law for foreigners to be in this country without authorization.

What I find particularly disconcerting, is the fact that stores have been known to call police when 3 or 4 black men have solicited outside home improvement stores. I have witnessed it myself. Unlike others, their presence is menacing, and businesses are afraid they will lose customers. Yet, it is discriminatory and racist for police to “harass” 30 or more Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc. who congregate in parking lots, hang trash bags from trees, sit on crates, and have a jolly good time while waiting to be picked up.

The black men are “loitering” and creating a public nuisance -- whereas Hispanics are simply seeking work to feed their families.

 
Old 05-28-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Identity laws vary state to state, and can depend on what you are doing (driving, walking down the street, etc.). I'm also not saying a refusal to identify myself, but not declaring my citizenship status. There is no law currently being enforced anywhere within the boundaries of the United States that requires a U.S. citizen to state or prove their citizenship
Perhaps that, and those few that believe as you do, is what is causing the problem. Along with a lack of enforcement of existing laws having to prove your legal status when stopped would certainly identify the number of illegals and aid in their deportation.

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What are they going to match me to? The burden of proof is on the detainee to have family or someone else bring in documentation of their status. Previous wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens (there is some real whoppers in there) had an allocated time pass, before they removed the person.
If you are so concerned, you would carry identification that they would match you to. Instead, you seem to be saying that you would go out of your way to cause a problem so that you could complain about it.

Not really a supporter of any law, are you.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 09:02 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Equal Protection Under the Law...

Find out what it means...
Equal requirements under the law.

Find out what it means...
 
Old 05-28-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Perhaps that, and those few that believe as you do, is what is causing the problem. Along with a lack of enforcement of existing laws having to prove your legal status when stopped would certainly identify the number of illegals and aid in their deportation.



If you are so concerned, you would carry identification that they would match you to. Instead, you seem to be saying that you would go out of your way to cause a problem so that you could complain about it.

Not really a supporter of any law, are you.
You are opposed to the Constitution? The fourth amendment is insufficiently clear?

And you accuse others of not supporting the law?
 
Old 05-28-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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You are opposed to the Constitution? The fourth amendment is insufficiently clear?

And you accuse others of not supporting the law?
Supporting existing laws and new laws is against the contitution? The fourth amendment is ignored at will by the liberals who claim that the constitution is a fluid and ever changing document. Is that supporting the strict letter of the law?

Yes, I accuse other of not supporting the law. From the tone of your statement, you are one of them.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Supporting existing laws and new laws is against the contitution? The fourth amendment is ignored at will by the liberals who claim that the constitution is a fluid and ever changing document. Is that supporting the strict letter of the law?

Yes, I accuse other of not supporting the law. From the tone of your statement, you are one of them.
The law is quite clear but you don't appear to like it, Read Hiibel. The minority justices would have held that Hiibel did not have to even state his name. The majority stated that was all he had to do.

And this was in a case where the police had reasonable cause to seek the man's identity as a crime had at least been alleged.

So it is your view that is antagonistic to the law...and it is you who are supporting unconstitutional procedures.

It is an old and hallowed tradition to prevent the state from intruding where it does not belong. Considered sufficiently important to differentiate from the English Common law as to require a specific amendment.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You never know..they could be "potential terrorists" or "potential cartel members".
Maybe local law enforcement should use the same tactics the Fed is doing on citizens.

Everyone could be a potential terrorist..guilty until proven innocent.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 06:49 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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The law is quite clear but you don't appear to like it, Read Hiibel. The minority justices would have held that Hiibel did not have to even state his name. The majority stated that was all he had to do.

And this was in a case where the police had reasonable cause to seek the man's identity as a crime had at least been alleged.

So it is your view that is antagonistic to the law...and it is you who are supporting unconstitutional procedures.
I support laws and their enforcement when they make sense. Giving more leeway to already illegal persons does not make sense. I am working to change the law. Do you support laws that give preferential treatment to criminals? You certainly sound as if you do, by your statements. Or are you a sheep that just follows laws that you don't agree with for the sake of not hurting the criminals feelings?

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It is an old and hallowed tradition to prevent the state from intruding where it does not belong. Considered sufficiently important to differentiate from the English Common law as to require a specific amendment.
Slavery is an old and hallowed tradition. Goes back to the bible times.
Horse theft is an old and hallowed tradition. Plains Indians.
Not knowing what you are talking about is an old and hallowed tradition. Liberals.

Your arguments lack credence.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 06:56 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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I support laws and their enforcement when they make sense. Giving more leeway to already illegal persons does not make sense. I am working to change the law. Do you support laws that give preferential treatment to criminals? You certainly sound as if you do, by your statements. Or are you a sheep that just follows laws that you don't agree with for the sake of not hurting the criminals feelings?
The Constitution and particularly its amendments were written to protect against people with your views. See above in this thread. It is not the robber baron...but the well intentioned zealot who does away with liberty.


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Slavery is an old and hallowed tradition. Goes back to the bible times.
Horse theft is an old and hallowed tradition. Plains Indians.
Not knowing what you are talking about is an old and hallowed tradition. Liberals.

Your arguments lack credence.
and yours lacks substance. Emotion is a bad way to govern.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Pa
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iight, of its not racial profiling, who would the police ask most? Who would be the first to be questioned?
The vast majority of offenders are?????
Hispanics from south of the border. It would make sense to focus first on the majority.
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