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The topic title suggest that any law enforcement officer be given this ability. Do they ask for a declaration of citizenship/status, or require proof? What happens if I remain silent? Or that I state a status that I cannot at that moment prove?
Is the officer allowed to arrest me if they don't believe my status, or I do not answer them? What are the charges? How do all the separate law enforcement agencies universally gain this enforcement to equally apply it?
The topic title suggest that any law enforcement officer be given this ability. Do they ask for a declaration of citizenship/status, or require proof? What happens if I remain silent? Or that I state a status that I cannot at that moment prove?
You can and probably will be held until they can prove your identity. I don't think it wise that you attempt this.
Is the officer allowed to arrest me if they don't believe my status, or I do not answer them? What are the charges? How do all the separate law enforcement agencies universally gain this enforcement to equally apply it?
I believe that they can haul you in for not identifying yourself. If they can't run your information and get a match you can be kept until they are able to identify you.
I believe that they can haul you in for not identifying yourself. If they can't run your information and get a match you can be kept until they are able to identify you.
Identity laws vary state to state, and can depend on what you are doing (driving, walking down the street, etc.). I'm also not saying a refusal to identify myself, but not declaring my citizenship status. There is no law currently being enforced anywhere within the boundaries of the United States that requires a U.S. citizen to state or prove their citizenship.
What are they going to match me to? The burden of proof is on the detainee to have family or someone else bring in documentation of their status. Previous wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens (there is some real whoppers in there) had an allocated time pass, before they removed the person.
An individual must state their name. No other response can be required.
Settled in the US Supreme Court Case of
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Circuit of Nevada
If driving different rules. But not if you are a passenger. You are still however required only to produce a driver's license and insurance proof if required.
It is called the Constitution folks...the Constitution..
An individual must state their name. No other response can be required.
Settled in the US Supreme Court Case of
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Circuit of Nevada
If driving different rules. But not if you are a passenger. You are still however required only to produce a driver's license and insurance proof if required.
It is called the Constitution folks...the Constitution..
Any other information requires probable cause.
Perhaps we need to get rid of the 4th amendment of the Constitution.
An individual must state their name. No other response can be required.
Settled in the US Supreme Court Case of
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Circuit of Nevada
If driving different rules. But not if you are a passenger. You are still however required only to produce a driver's license and insurance proof if required.
It is called the Constitution folks...the Constitution..
Police should have the right to question legal status during ANY criminal investigation, or when they have probable cause to suspect illegal status, such as, groups of “day laborers” in Home Depot parking lots, or other sites frequented by illegal aliens. After all, it is still against the law for foreigners to be in this country without authorization.
What I find particularly disconcerting, is the fact that stores have been known to call police when 3 or 4 black men have solicited outside home improvement stores. I have witnessed it myself. Unlike others, their presence is menacing, and businesses are afraid they will lose customers. Yet, it is discriminatory and racist for police to “harass” 30 or more Mexicans, Guatemalans, etc. who congregate in parking lots, hang trash bags from trees, sit on crates, and have a jolly good time while waiting to be picked up.
The black men are “loitering” and creating a public nuisance -- whereas Hispanics are simply seeking work to feed their families.
Identity laws vary state to state, and can depend on what you are doing (driving, walking down the street, etc.). I'm also not saying a refusal to identify myself, but not declaring my citizenship status. There is no law currently being enforced anywhere within the boundaries of the United States that requires a U.S. citizen to state or prove their citizenship
Perhaps that, and those few that believe as you do, is what is causing the problem. Along with a lack of enforcement of existing laws having to prove your legal status when stopped would certainly identify the number of illegals and aid in their deportation.
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What are they going to match me to? The burden of proof is on the detainee to have family or someone else bring in documentation of their status. Previous wrongful deportations of U.S. citizens (there is some real whoppers in there) had an allocated time pass, before they removed the person.
If you are so concerned, you would carry identification that they would match you to. Instead, you seem to be saying that you would go out of your way to cause a problem so that you could complain about it.
Not really a supporter of any law, are you.
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