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Old 06-01-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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El Paso renters can still apply for federal aid - El Paso Times

Applicants must be U.S. citizens, legal permanent residents or qualified undocumented immigrants.

How sweet. The government cannot pour enough tax dollars into an area of many illegals. Plenty of American citizens going homeless -- who cares.
Its nice that we have a homeless program, unlike other countries where if you don't have a place to live, you sleep in the street but I have to agree that illegal immigrants should not be entitled to these benefits. I don't know what a "qualified undocumented immigrant" really means but here in Cali, these programs are only given to families where there is a special needs child who is a U.S. citizen. Do you know what the requirements are in El Paso for qualified illegal immigrants?
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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Its nice that we have a homeless program, unlike other countries where if you don't have a place to live, you sleep in the street but I have to agree that illegal immigrants should not be entitled to these benefits. I don't know what a "qualified undocumented immigrant" really means but here in Cali, these programs are only given to families where there is a special needs child who is a U.S. citizen. Do you know what the requirements are in El Paso for qualified illegal immigrants?
That's a good question. We see a lot lately about "qualified undocumented immigrants" but there doesn't seem to be any real definition of the term.

I would suspect in El Paso it just means the illegal qualified by income. A whole lot of people have simply left their homes in Juarez and moved over but I would guess a lot of them need government rental assistance to afford the high rent and housing costs here.

The more that flee Juarez, the worse Juarez becomes and the more want to bail out and come over. It's amazing the number of empty houses over there but these people didn't leave the Infonavit housing and suddenly could afford USA prices.

Sure it's nice to have a homeless program but I wonder if all cities get the same federal money thrown their way. Does a city in the Midwest - for example Detroit - receive the same level of federal assistance for American citizens facing eviction? I think in El Paso, this money is mainly earmarked for the new arrivals.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:33 AM
 
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That's a good question. We see a lot lately about "qualified undocumented immigrants" but there doesn't seem to be any real definition of the term.

I would suspect in El Paso it just means the illegal qualified by income. A whole lot of people have simply left their homes in Juarez and moved over but I would guess a lot of them need government rental assistance to afford the high rent and housing costs here.

The more that flee Juarez, the worse Juarez becomes and the more want to bail out and come over. It's amazing the number of empty houses over there but these people didn't leave the Infonavit housing and suddenly could afford USA prices.

Sure it's nice to have a homeless program but I wonder if all cities get the same federal money thrown their way. Does a city in the Midwest - for example Detroit - receive the same level of federal assistance for American citizens facing eviction? I think in El Paso, this money is mainly earmarked for the new arrivals.
Hence the term "anchor baby". In this case it fits the purpose of "qualified undocumented".
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Obama and the 111th congress passed this...It is a stimulus package program, for a three month rent period. when the money runs out, so does the program.

So arguing who qualifies if futile. Being vague allows anyone to apply.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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Obama and the 111th congress passed this...It is a stimulus package program, for a three month rent period. when the money runs out, so does the program.

So arguing who qualifies if futile. Being vague allows anyone to apply.
I sincerely doubt that very many of the people who voted for Obama or congress want illegal aliens to get access to federal funds. Why is it futile to suggest that funds should not be directed to people who violate the law by even being here in the first place?
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I sincerely doubt that very many of the people who voted for Obama or congress want illegal aliens to get access to federal funds. Why is it futile to suggest that funds should not be directed to people who violate the law by even being here in the first place?
In this instance, where the program is over when the stimulus money is used was the point of my post...not your contention.

One can discuss money going to illegal aliens all they like, my point is that there is little that can be done on this account.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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In this instance, where the program is over when the stimulus money is used was the point of my post...not your contention.

One can discuss money going to illegal aliens all they like, my point is that there is little that can be done on this account.
It can count in the next election. All of these matters will.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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In this instance, where the program is over when the stimulus money is used was the point of my post...not your contention.

One can discuss money going to illegal aliens all they like, my point is that there is little that can be done on this account.
Why?

Illegal aliens are not supposed to get any benefits. Any elected officials who let them get welfare should be recalled from office. Any illegal who gets public funds should be deported on the grounds that they are a) in violation of the law by being here in the first place and b) receiving public funds they are not technically entitled to receive. As legal immigrants are not supposed to get welfare, by what rights does an illegal alien claim such funds?

The whole debacle is yet again another illustration of the principles many illegal immigration sympathizers seem to espouse: illegal aliens should not only be allowed to violate our immigration laws with utter impunity but should be rewarded for doing so. The kind of shrugging at this behavior (while screaming racism any time anyone dares argue against literally subsidizing law breakers) is why so many of us find the illegal alien lobby so utterly distasteful and repulsively indifferent to the needs of American citizens. At a time when so many Americans are struggling to survive financially the very idea that a foreign national should be able to tap into the public till and take funds from us is grotesque.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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A great way to bankrupt the country.
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Old 06-01-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Why?

Illegal aliens are not supposed to get any benefits. Any elected officials who let them get welfare should be recalled from office. Any illegal who gets public funds should be deported on the grounds that they are a) in violation of the law by being here in the first place and b) receiving public funds they are not technically entitled to receive. As legal immigrants are not supposed to get welfare, by what rights does an illegal alien claim such funds?

The whole debacle is yet again another illustration of the principles many illegal immigration sympathizers seem to espouse: illegal aliens should not only be allowed to violate our immigration laws with utter impunity but should be rewarded for doing so. The kind of shrugging at this behavior (while screaming racism any time anyone dares argue against literally subsidizing law breakers) is why so many of us find the illegal alien lobby so utterly distasteful and repulsively indifferent to the needs of American citizens. At a time when so many Americans are struggling to survive financially the very idea that a foreign national should be able to tap into the public till and take funds from us is grotesque.
These aliens qualify for federal funding...

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8 U.S.C. § 1612 : US Code - Section 1612: Limited eligibility of qualified aliens for certain Federal programs
8 U.S.C. § 1612 : US Code - Section 1612: Limited eligibility of qualified aliens for certain Federal programs
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