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Old 06-02-2011, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I dont know about your numbers[citing sources is helpful] , but this area of Los Angeles was founded by hispanics and has remained as such...how does that make them "unamerican"?

You are confusing being hispanic and "not-speaking" english as Un-American.

Are you familiar with the Amish and Mennonite communites in America...These are of largely one ethinic group with many non-english speakers.



Are these Americans? Should they be allowed to live in America as they choose?

To look at others and classify them as "unamerican" ...Isnt that Un-American?
There's nothing in there that says the Amish don't speak English.
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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That is about 15% of the hispanic population of LA county. So why would East LA be more than 15%?

I would think Las Vegas or Phoenix would have higher illegal immigrant percentage than LA which has a large and long term hispanic population.
There 4 million Hispanics in Los Angeles county. So how is over 700,000 illegals = only 15% ?
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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There are over 704,000 illegal immigrants in Los Angeles county. So it only makes sense that a 99% Hispanic area like East Los Angeles would be a hotbead for illegals.
Illegal Immigrants in California...
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...DHS does not offer estimates of the illegal immigrant population specifically in Los Angeles County, but the Los Angeles Almanac [your unofficial link source] studied comparative statistics of English language learners in California school districts to help estimate the illegal immigrant population in individual counties and cities...


The original question is unanswerable by any official statistics, and your link source speculates in the same way by linking illegal immigrants to those learning English in school...

Source fail...

Logic fail...
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:04 PM
 
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Here are some interesting stats from that same link.

English speakers - Foreign born:
2.0% of residents of East Los Angeles speak English at home.
96.0% of residents speak Spanish at home (18% speak English very well, 82% speak English less than very well).
1.2% of residents speak other language at home (26% speak English very well, 74% speak English less than very well).




Read more: http://www.city-data.com/races/races...#ixzz1O9ZqO5jL

If these people and their families have been there for generations why would there be so many that are foreign born there and only 82% that speak English less than very well? Just how many of these would be legal immigrants? I'd venture a guess but the attacks would start.
Another question is if these Hispanics come from families who have been in the U.S for many generations, why would they need to take ESL classes ? You don't see Italian American or German American kids taking ESL classes.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:04 PM
 
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There's nothing in there that says the Amish don't speak English.
The Amish aren't insisting that we all learn German or that they be catered to in German. They have no expectations of mainstream America do adopt their culture either. No desire to takeover culturally and politically in this country.

They are here legally and they aren't breeding like flies at the taxpayer's expense. I would be willing to bet that none of them are on welfare either. They are mostly a small religious sect and they bother no one.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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The original question is unanswerable by any official statistics, and your link source speculates in the same way by linking illegal immigrants to those learning English in school...

Source fail...

Logic fail...
Not a fail at all. The way the data is gathered and used makes total sense. Your logic fails. I guess you're right and the L.A. Almanac is wrong?
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:13 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Are the residents of East Los Angeles?

I know its tempting to express one views at ever oppurtunity...but can you at least stay on topic?

Show what you have posted has to do with the resident of East Los Angeles...

You are confusing the residents of this city with illegal aliens...Are you uncapable to make that distinction?
From Santa Monica to East L.A., most places you go in Los Angeles Spanish is the spoken language.

It could be a restaurant, department store, grocery store, bus stop, public government building, private office building. You drive down any street anywhere in L.A. you're gonna see billboards in Spanish. Adverts on the sides/backs of public busses, in Spanish.

Don't try to sugar coat it. It's a Fact.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:23 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Here are some interesting stats from that same link.

English speakers - Foreign born:
2.0% of residents of East Los Angeles speak English at home.
96.0% of residents speak Spanish at home (18% speak English very well, 82% speak English less than very well).
1.2% of residents speak other language at home (26% speak English very well, 74% speak English less than very well).




Read more: http://www.city-data.com/races/races...#ixzz1O9ZqO5jL

If these people and their families have been there for generations why would there be so many that are foreign born there and only 82% that speak English less than very well? Just how many of these would be legal immigrants? I'd venture a guess but the attacks would start.
English speakers - Total:
9.8% of residents of East Los Angeles speak English at home.
90.4% of residents speak Spanish at home (46% speak English very well, 54% speak English less than very well).
0.8% of residents speak other language at home (46% speak English very well, 54% speak English less than very well).


Amazing how you seem unable to get even simple facts straight...from your own reference...


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/races/races...#ixzz1O9jK23Iy

Read further. Well over half are US born.

Out of 125,000 residents about 25,000 emigrated to the US after 1990...and those were not all illegal. So again 15% would appear reasonable.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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From Santa Monica to East L.A., most places you go in Los Angeles Spanish is the spoken language.

It could be a restaurant, department store, grocery store, bus stop, public government building, private office building. You drive down any street anywhere in L.A. you're gonna see billboards in Spanish. Adverts on the sides/backs of public busses, in Spanish.

Don't try to sugar coat it. It's a Fact.
More English is spoken in Sydney and Melbourne, than is in Miami and Los Angeles.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Not a fail at all. The way the data is gathered and used makes total sense. Your logic fails. I guess you're right and the L.A. Almanac is wrong?
So a self-titled source is always correct to quote as truth? How many Asians learning English are falsely grouped in as "illegal aliens"? Legal immigrants don't take English classes either (like my wife did; our local paper had her with a beaming smile for how well she did in the course)?

I thought the whole identifier on illegal aliens was their failure to assimilate, including to learn English...

A statistic is used in reverse when it suits you?...
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