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Old 06-02-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Originally Posted by ErikCortez View Post
Either the USA steps up or well ALL be in trouble. Im afraid of nasty things happening.
I agree completely that action must be taken. The current system of "ignore it and maybe it'll all go away" just flat ain't working.

What I'm seeing is a dam that isn't holding back the flood. So what do you do? Raise the dam and open the spillways up. You can't stop the flood but you can at least control where it goes and what it does. You can try to get desirable outcomes for America: Ensure they speak English with reasonable fluency, make sure that they have employment, screen out the drug smugglers as much as possible, etc. A two year probationary period is reasonable - if they engage in criminal activity in their first two years, they don't get to stay. By actually taking control and writing the terms of entry into the USA, we can at least try to shoot for good outcomes.

Ignoring the flood of immigrants means you can't filter, you can't set minimum standards, you can't work for good outcomes for America. You can't do squat but wish that they'd stop crossing the border. Ignoring it is the worst possible option.

 
Old 06-02-2011, 10:26 PM
 
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Hmmm, okay chase them out of Arizona to where? Utah? California? Colorado?
New Mexico? And the 1070 laws require everyone to carry their papers proving they have a right to be here. How long till they get really, really good at making fake papers and fake ID's?

I don't hold it against Arizona that they want to get tough on the issue. They are on the front lines and it isn't fun for them at all. Immigration reform needs to happen at the Federal level, otherwise Arizona and Federal authorities will just butt heads and **** each other off. Trick is that the Federal government doesn't know how to do anything useful about anything and hasn't for a long long time.
Yes. Let the sanctuary states and cities make a nice home for them and provide them their free health care and other services.

It should be like "you want 'em, you pay for 'em".

The collapse of the federal government's budget is going to bring a lot of this to the state level.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 06:07 AM
 
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Yeah, and they are all dead now. Both the early settlers and those native indians so what has that to do with those of us alive today and our right to have immigration laws just like every other country does.
Thank you
 
Old 06-03-2011, 06:11 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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California has more Mexican restaurants than American restaurants. American restaurants meaning places that have meatloaf, fried chicken, New York steak, mashed potatos, etc all in the same menu.
OMG you didnt just post that...Mexican restaurants...?

Lets keep Illegals out and keep Catsup our no. 1 condiment...Boycott salsa!!!
 
Old 06-03-2011, 06:33 AM
 
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Thank you
I just want to add they are the biggest hypocrites.

They invaded central & south America now they are invaded North America.

This article is a wake up call for this country.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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Actually there was, but they called them "Chinese". But your remark is correct otherwise, in that Western Europeans had no restrictions to land and end up wherever they wanted (typically within an ethnic enclave of others like them). Immigration laws (other than the "Chinese Exclusion Act") started to go into effect when more Eastern Europeans (with the Catholic and ethnic backgrounds the Western Europeans had tried to escape) threatened to come over.
It is totally irrelevant how things were done in the past. The only thing that matters is what our immigration laws are today. As pointed out we are no longer a wide open frontier with a nation to build. We don't need millions of unskilled, uneducated peasants today competing for blue collar jobs in this country. We don't need millions of illegal aliens competing for our depleting resources either. Immigration should be fair to all ethnic groups. Illegal immigration from mostly one group negates the diversified, melting pot that has work for our country since its founding. A nation should have the right to retain its basic identity while allowing in controlled numbers of LEGAL immigrants.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 07:13 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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No amnesty and no immigration reform. We are looking at over 9% unemployment...to even contemplate making it easier to immigrate here is ludicrous and a slap in the faces of the long-term unemployed who surely would suffer the most consequences from shamnesty.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 07:19 AM
 
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And yet you have no clue how to enforce the status quo of immigration. You might think you can make it work but you can't. You have 2000 miles of border and the entire coast-line of the USA to patrol and guard if you want to stop illegals completely.

But hey, what do I know. Let's hear all about your impenetrable wall that is going to stop all those illegal immigrants from coming here. (Note: Great Wall of China, Iron Curtain, Bamboo Curtain, all failed so you'll have to do better.)

If somebody can come up with a foolproof plan to stop all illegals from coming into the USA -- then and only then does it make any kind of sense to say that "just stop them from coming here" is actually a plan an not wishful thinking.
I see, so because we can't stop illegal immigration "completely" we shouldn't do what we can in the way of securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws to stop as many as we can? Are you aware that it isn't just those seeking work that are coming here? There are terrorists, criminals, drug dealers getting through also.

There is no proposal to build a 2,000 miles wall on our southern border. Where are you getting this? The only wall proposed is for those areas that are the most porous. A physical barrier requires less manpower to cover all 2,000 miles of the border and assists the BP greatly. By the way, none of those walls you mentioned were a failure.

You are also ignoring the proposal that we remove all incentives to come here like jobs, welfare, birthright citizenship, education and healthcare. It isn't just about walls.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 07:22 AM
 
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How clearly can it be spelled out. There were no rules back then. Poles, Irish, Italians -- all of Europe had no limits set. If they got here successfully then most often they'd become US citizens the same day they arrived.
No, they didn't become citizens the day they arrived. What has the past to do with today anyway? Our circumstances have changed since then. Many of those Europeans came after we implemented immigration laws anyway. I know my ancestors did.

Just how many immigrants should we allow in even though we don't have jobs and resources for them? You're not making any sense here. Our immigration laws and policies are set to not take in any more than we can accomodate and without negatively impacting our own citizens. None of that matters to you?
 
Old 06-03-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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It is totally irrelevant how things were done in the past. The only thing that matters is what our immigration laws are today. As pointed out we are no longer a wide open frontier with a nation to build. We don't need millions of unskilled, uneducated peasants today competing for blue collar jobs in this country. We don't need millions of illegal aliens competing for our depleting resources either. Immigration should be fair to all ethnic groups. Illegal immigration from mostly one group negates the diversified, melting pot that has work for our country since its founding. A nation should have the right to retain its basic identity while allowing in controlled numbers of LEGAL immigrants.


Just like a country should have a right to defend itself.
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