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Old 06-04-2011, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Not to mention that the Spaniards were from Europe also who happen to be the ancestors of the Mestizo Mexicans.
La Raza dont wanna hear that.

 
Old 06-04-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: New England & The Maritimes
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Why don't you ask the Native American descendants of their long dead ancestors? They seem to be doing pretty well today. They have their soveirgn lands, casinos and have all the rights of any other citizen of this country.
Really? Look up the top 10 poorest counties in the US.

Not all our Native Americans are doing so well...

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What difference does it make when someone's ancestors came here? Or do you just love living in the past to demonize those of us alive today who had nothing to do with the past?
I could not agree more. It doesn't matter if you're ancestors came over following the mammoths from Siberia or fleeing religious persecution in England or Russia. Or if you came due to famine in Ireland or war in El Salvador. The image of what a stereotypical American is will constantly change as our demographics change. Our culture will gain new aspects (food, holidays, borrowed words) but the core beliefs of this country (individualism, liberty, creativity) will remain.

Multiculturalism may have failed in Europe, but it has been working here for hundreds of years, and will continue to.

GOD BLESS AMERICA
DIOS BENDIGA AMERICA
 
Old 06-04-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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Talk to the US gov bout that. This ill say: the less Indian or Black a Latino looks; the more they tend to have a tude bout being called Hispanic.
A tude ?
 
Old 06-04-2011, 04:59 PM
 
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His supporters also like to use his "blackness" to pull the race card on those who oppose him. They don't even want to admit that he is just as much white as he is black racially because that would kind of nullify their race card.
Calmly observing that there are suspicious racial overtones in much of the rhetoric against Obama, and that there is a lack of fairness in how he has been treated in comparison to similar presidents in similar situations, does not equate to playing a "race card."

I mean Christ, next time you encounter a bona fide racist, are you just going to pretend you didn't hear anything, lest you be accused of playing the "race card?" Get real and stop defending the indefensible.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 06:49 PM
 
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Really? Look up the top 10 poorest counties in the US.

Not all our Native Americans are doing so well...



I could not agree more. It doesn't matter if you're ancestors came over following the mammoths from Siberia or fleeing religious persecution in England or Russia. Or if you came due to famine in Ireland or war in El Salvador. The image of what a stereotypical American is will constantly change as our demographics change. Our culture will gain new aspects (food, holidays, borrowed words) but the core beliefs of this country (individualism, liberty, creativity) will remain.

Multiculturalism may have failed in Europe, but it has been working here for hundreds of years, and will continue to.

GOD BLESS AMERICA
DIOS BENDIGA AMERICA
We aren't multi-cultural per se We have sub-cultures living here and a mainstream culture. That is the only way that a country won't avoid culture clash and chaos is to not have several competing for top dog through uncontrolled immigation. That isn't what the melting pot is all about. It is about adding different flavors to the pot while still retaining its basic ingredients.

There is nothing desirable about illegal immigration and it isn't natural change for it to change the demographics of a country's basic identity, language and culture. If we continue as we are we will end up just like Europe thru uncontrolled illegal immigration.

What does matter is coming here legally regardless of who your ancestors were.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 06:56 PM
 
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Calmly observing that there are suspicious racial overtones in much of the rhetoric against Obama, and that there is a lack of fairness in how he has been treated in comparison to similar presidents in similar situations, does not equate to playing a "race card."

I mean Christ, next time you encounter a bona fide racist, are you just going to pretend you didn't hear anything, lest you be accused of playing the "race card?" Get real and stop defending the indefensible.
You don't know how many times I have heard Obama supporters say (and not just to me) "you don't like him just because he is black". So spare me your attempt to play that down. Sure, there are some idiots who don't like him because of his partially black race but they don't represent the majority of Americans who oppose him. I would never defend those kind of people and you don't know me so why would you accuse me of that? Most oppose him because of his politics and not his race. When have you ever seen a Democrat support a Republican president? Are we to assume that if a black Democrat opposes a white president it is strictly about his race?

FYI, I am a strong supporter of Herman Cain (a fully black man) to gain the Republican nomination for the presidency and I am as white as snow. So save your accusations for the few nutcases that dwell on race. I'm not one of them.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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You don't know how many times I have heard Obama supporters say (and not just to me) "you don't like him just because he is black". So spare me your attempt to play that down. Sure, there are some idiots who don't like him because of his partially black race but they don't represent the majority of Americans who oppose him. I would never defend those kind of people and you don't know me so why would you accuse me of that? Most oppose him because of his politics and not his race. When have you ever seen a Democrat support a Republican president? Are we to assume that if a black Democrat opposes a white president it is strictly about his race?

FYI, I am a strong supporter of Herman Cain (a fully black man) to gain the Republican nomination for the presidency and I am as white as snow. So save your accusations for the few nutcases that dwell on race. I'm not one of them.
President Cain: that sounds good.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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Illegal immigration probably wouldn't be so bad if we got mostly the cream of the crop from south of the border. But most of the illegal immigrants we get are people who did not even finish high school back in Mexico or Central America.

We get the bottom of the barrel when it comes to illegals from Mexico and Central America. We only get cream of the crop when it comes to people from countries like The Philippines and India for example.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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You don't know how many times I have heard Obama supporters say (and not just to me) "you don't like him just because he is black". So spare me your attempt to play that down. Sure, there are some idiots who don't like him because of his partially black race but they don't represent the majority of Americans who oppose him. I would never defend those kind of people and you don't know me so why would you accuse me of that? Most oppose him because of his politics and not his race. When have you ever seen a Democrat support a Republican president? Are we to assume that if a black Democrat opposes a white president it is strictly about his race?

FYI, I am a strong supporter of Herman Cain (a fully black man) to gain the Republican nomination for the presidency and I am as white as snow. So save your accusations for the few nutcases that dwell on race. I'm not one of them.
Now I'm curious: why do you support Cain? Just because he's black? I supported Obama because of his liberal views and his vision for change, not just because he was black.

Anyway, I have never personally accused anyone of racism, except for people who actually sound racist. And even then, I usually let it go (for better or for worse). Maybe you're exaggerating the criticisms that you refer to as "racism accusations." Or maybe you come off as kinda racist for some reason.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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Now I'm curious: why do you support Cain? Just because he's black? I supported Obama because of his liberal views and his vision for change, not just because he was black.

Anyway, I have never personally accused anyone of racism, except for people who actually sound racist. And even then, I usually let it go (for better or for worse). Maybe you're exaggerating the criticisms that you refer to as "racism accusations." Or maybe you come off as kinda racist for some reason.
No, I support Cain because he is a strong conservative. He gives fiery speeches and seems like he is very honest. He has run businesses and seems to care about this country and its citizens. FYI, I never support a candidate based on their race or ethnicity. It is all about what they stand for and if they are in alignment with my beliefs on the issues.

It is amazing how many people that want to believe someone is a racist just because they are of an opposing view. How in the world do I come off as a racist? Please expain if you can.

There are many Americans who voted for Obama just because he is black. Yet I guess you wouldn't call that being racist?

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