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Old 06-02-2011, 02:26 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
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Can this arguement be any sillier? What "language" is "Irish" if not "English"? Can you please explain how the "Irish" language is different from the "English" language besides an accent?
Irish (the language) was in decline in the 19th century, but a large number of emigrants came from the Gaeltacht areas of Ireland, since they were the hardest hit by the famines.

 
Old 06-02-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Ok, then, at least according to your logic, Mexico should be given back to the ( if there are any remaining) tribes. lol.
There's no credit one could give anybody. It''s history. Has nothing to do with anything that happens in 2011.
No, I think we should keep it. However, it's becoming increasingly clear that with the present political class we're saddled with and our decling culture and collapsing family structure we may not long have the ability to keep it. If a people cannot populate their own country then someone else will only be too glad to. The mexicans seem only too glad to and our political class only too willing to accomodate them.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: TMI
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No, I think we should keep it. However, it's becoming increasingly clear that with the present political class we're saddled with and our decling culture and collapsing family structure we may not long have the ability to keep it. If a people cannot populate their own country then someone else will only be too glad to. The mexicans seem only too glad to and our political class only too willing to accomodate them.
We? They. I wasn't talking about the US.

And "declining culture"? There's nothing declining. Our culture is well and alive.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 02:34 PM
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Come on down to Texas for a spell. ESL is pretty much a requirement for all certified teachers even if they don't deal with language issues.
Bilingual classes outnumber English only classes.

Cinqo de Mayo and Quinceañera are bigger events than July 4.

Going to take a few more generations to acquire that fluent English.
Some kids only get English at school as there is no English at home or in their local community.
People celebrating Cinco de Mayo is a sure sign that they are assimilating and becoming Americans. It is a minor holiday only celebrated in one Mexican state, only in the United States is it a major nationwide event.

Quinceanera? You know that is just a birthday party for teenage girls, right? Not exactly what rational people would call a threat to the republic.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 02:36 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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We? They. I wasn't talking about the US.
Ok, then I think the us should keep it. Who would you like to see keep it? Not the commanche, they're out of the running.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:00 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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People celebrating Cinco de Mayo is a sure sign that they are assimilating and becoming Americans. It is a minor holiday only celebrated in one Mexican state, only in the United States is it a major nationwide event.

Quinceanera? You know that is just a birthday party for teenage girls, right? Not exactly what rational people would call a threat to the republic.
Cinco de Mayo has zero to do with becoming American it's actually just the opposite. A day they celebrate a Mexican war victory over France. It's only popular here because the beer companies discovered it's a major let's get drunk celebration. Not unlike St. Patrick's day. So now because of this newly adopted 'drinking holiday' we have two occasions to get drunk March 17th and May 5.

Quinceanera is the "coming of age" party for teenage girls of Mexican (or other Latin American) descent. Birthday party? Yeah o.k. sure. They get dressed up in white (like a wedding) have a huge party with a limo and "bridal party", a Daddy with Daughter dance, and they introduce her to "adult society". In plain terms it's to let all the adult men know she's ripe for picking. Not long after they're pushing a stroller.

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In Mexico and other Latin American countries, the Quinceanera once signaled that a girl was officially on the marriage market. The downside to that legacy: The Quinceanera Mass is sometimes seen as a sexual coming-of-age moment.

Although teen pregnancy rates generally have been in decline across ethnic lines over the last 15 years, 51 percent of Hispanic teens get pregnant before age 20, according to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n21191374/
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:12 PM
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Quinceanera is the "coming of age" party for teenage girls of Mexican (or other Latin American) descent. Birthday party? Yeah o.k. sure. They get dressed up in white (like a wedding) have a huge party with a limo and "bridal party", a Daddy with Daughter dance, and they introduce her to "adult society". In plain terms it's to let all the adult men know she's ripe for picking. Not long after they're pushing a stroller.
Do you have the same contempt for the Purity Balls that are the rage in the evangelical "Real American" community? There is no discernible difference other than the skin color of the participants.

I still fail to see how a birthday party is a sign of some kind of societal decline.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:16 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Do you have the same contempt for the Purity Balls that are the rage in the evangelical "Real American" community? There is no discernible difference other than the skin color of the participants.

I still fail to see how a birthday party is a sign of some kind of societal decline.
The purpose of the birthday party is to introduce the teenage girl to adult society.

That's the purpose of the quinceanera.

A purity ball does not do that. A purity ball has more to do with a declaration of chastity and abstinence with a religious foundation. The other is "so called Catholic tradition" mixed with an ethnic demonstration of coming of age, which is basically a direct invitation for adult sexual activity.

There are Bar & Bat Mitzvahs which are coming of age celebrations within the Jewish religious tradition but nobody is inviting sexuality upon their children with either of those ceremonies.

I posted an article. You should take time to actually read it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n21191374/
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:19 PM
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The purpose of the birthday party is to introduce the teenage girl to adult society.

That's the purpose of the quinceanera.

A purity ball does not do that. A purity ball has more to do with chastity and abstinence. The other is a direct invitation.
In your opinion. I have been to many quinceanera, and none of them have been like you described. Your attempt to portray them as some kind of sick pedophilia auction is nothing more than bigotry.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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In my opinion, Hispanics and others coming from south of the border are the new Irish. Back in the 1800's the Irish were leaving Ireland in droves and coming here. They were poor, they were uneducated and they were viewed as the lowliest scum of the earth by a lot of Americans. Well ... they actually helped make this nation great. As they incorporated themselves into society in the USA. Prejudices diminished. Now they are just part of the mix here and nobody is freaking out about the droves of Irish that came to America.

The difference is that today we have this notion of limiting immigration into the USA. That didn't exist back when the Irish immigration was happening. Today we've made it incredibly difficult to become a citizen and we keep trying to close the border with Mexico to stop the flow in illegal immigrants coming into the USA.

Consider for a moment: East Germany was a police state that put the USSR and Nazi Germany to shame. They built a wall to stop people from crossing the border. They spied on everyone and knew in great detail what everyone in East Germany was doing at all times. They're spared no effort to keep the East Germans inside East Germany. Yet for all their super-control-freak measures, land-mines, barbed wire, and other death traps at the border, they STILL weren't successful in stopping people from leaving East Germany.

When people desperately want to cross a border, they're going to cross now matter what obstacles you put in their way. This may be a lousy time for it economically, but I've long since concluded that US immigration needs to open the flood gates and let more of them in legally. Do something to legalize those that are already here -- and sure penalize them in the process for breaking the law. But that's an estimated 12 million people that are paying no taxes but reaping most of the benefits that those taxes pay for. The fact that they often are paid less than minimum wage makes chaos out of the whole system. If their employers were forced to pay minimum wage, there wouldn't be a segment of "illegal immigrant only" jobs. And more people in the USA means more people buying stuff which means things tend to equal out in terms of jobs because of the increase in demand for everything that people buy -- so no it doesn't boil down to "they're taking all our jobs from us." By being here they also create jobs.

Americans need to wake up and realize: Even if you take it to the craziest Gestapo extremes, even if you build a 1000 foot all with a moat on each side, no matter what you do if you have a large mass of people who want to get into the USA, they're going to get here no matter what you do to stop them. Rather than fighting an impossible battle, it's time to change tactics. Try to make solutions work out in the best interests of the USA. Continually escalating immigration enforcement and doing nothing else ain't EVER going to work and it just turns the USA into a psychotically paranoid police state.
No, they aren't just like the Irish coming here long ago. The Irish came legally. Learn to know the difference.

As for limiting immigration today opposed to yesterday it is because we are a nation already built with a population of over 310 million now. You can't see why there is a difference? We are no longer a wide open frontier with plentiful resources and jobs. You can't see why there is a difference? Yet we still take in over a million "legal" immigrants per year.

The subject of Nazi Germany or the East Berlin wall has nothing to do with our right to have immigration laws, policies and quotas just like every other country does. So don't even go there!

Yeah, let's let the whole world's impoverished into our country and that way we can commit national suicide and kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Americans would be able to buy "stuff" if they had the jobs that these illegals are holding. Imagine that. They need to create jobs in their own countries. Their countries need them, not us. We have plenty of job creators of our own and those jobs should be for Americans not illegal invaders.

We are going to stop them by taking away any incentives to come here and have our borders secured once and for all and you can take that to the bank. The clock is ticking.
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