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Old 06-02-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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The Latin American Invasion of the United States


 
Old 06-02-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Tell us something we don't already know.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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In my opinion, Hispanics and others coming from south of the border are the new Irish. Back in the 1800's the Irish were leaving Ireland in droves and coming here. They were poor, they were uneducated and they were viewed as the lowliest scum of the earth by a lot of Americans. Well ... they actually helped make this nation great. As they incorporated themselves into society in the USA. Prejudices diminished. Now they are just part of the mix here and nobody is freaking out about the droves of Irish that came to America.

The difference is that today we have this notion of limiting immigration into the USA. That didn't exist back when the Irish immigration was happening. Today we've made it incredibly difficult to become a citizen and we keep trying to close the border with Mexico to stop the flow in illegal immigrants coming into the USA.

Consider for a moment: East Germany was a police state that put the USSR and Nazi Germany to shame. They built a wall to stop people from crossing the border. They spied on everyone and knew in great detail what everyone in East Germany was doing at all times. They're spared no effort to keep the East Germans inside East Germany. Yet for all their super-control-freak measures, land-mines, barbed wire, and other death traps at the border, they STILL weren't successful in stopping people from leaving East Germany.

When people desperately want to cross a border, they're going to cross now matter what obstacles you put in their way. This may be a lousy time for it economically, but I've long since concluded that US immigration needs to open the flood gates and let more of them in legally. Do something to legalize those that are already here -- and sure penalize them in the process for breaking the law. But that's an estimated 12 million people that are paying no taxes but reaping most of the benefits that those taxes pay for. The fact that they often are paid less than minimum wage makes chaos out of the whole system. If their employers were forced to pay minimum wage, there wouldn't be a segment of "illegal immigrant only" jobs. And more people in the USA means more people buying stuff which means things tend to equal out in terms of jobs because of the increase in demand for everything that people buy -- so no it doesn't boil down to "they're taking all our jobs from us." By being here they also create jobs.

Americans need to wake up and realize: Even if you take it to the craziest Gestapo extremes, even if you build a 1000 foot all with a moat on each side, no matter what you do if you have a large mass of people who want to get into the USA, they're going to get here no matter what you do to stop them. Rather than fighting an impossible battle, it's time to change tactics. Try to make solutions work out in the best interests of the USA. Continually escalating immigration enforcement and doing nothing else ain't EVER going to work and it just turns the USA into a psychotically paranoid police state.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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Good. Now maybe we can get decent, authentic Mexican food instead of that horrible Tex-Mex imitation crap.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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As a good ole boy...(white southerner), so long as this is legal immagration/Americans being born here, I simply do not care.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Good. The US needs a constant flow of immigrants. Immigrant families have the strongest work ethic in the US.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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All American NYC? You know what is funny about your post? Take your comments and rewind back several hundreds years ago and I'm sure the Native American Indians in America felt the same way you do now!
 
Old 06-02-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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In my opinion, Hispanics and others coming from south of the border are the new Irish. Back in the 1800's the Irish were leaving Ireland in droves and coming here. They were poor, they were uneducated and they were viewed as the lowliest scum of the earth by a lot of Americans. Well ... they actually helped make this nation great. As they incorporated themselves into society in the USA. Prejudices diminished. Now they are just part of the mix here and nobody is freaking out about the droves of Irish that came to America.

The difference is that today we have this notion of limiting immigration into the USA. That didn't exist back when the Irish immigration was happening. Today we've made it incredibly difficult to become a citizen and we keep trying to close the border with Mexico to stop the flow in illegal immigrants coming into the USA.

Consider for a moment: East Germany was a police state that put the USSR and Nazi Germany to shame. They built a wall to stop people from crossing the border. They spied on everyone and knew in great detail what everyone in East Germany was doing at all times. They're spared no effort to keep the East Germans inside East Germany. Yet for all their super-control-freak measures, land-mines, barbed wire, and other death traps at the border, they STILL weren't successful in stopping people from leaving East Germany.

When people desperately want to cross a border, they're going to cross now matter what obstacles you put in their way. This may be a lousy time for it economically, but I've long since concluded that US immigration needs to open the flood gates and let more of them in legally. Do something to legalize those that are already here -- and sure penalize them in the process for breaking the law. But that's an estimated 12 million people that are paying no taxes but reaping most of the benefits that those taxes pay for. The fact that they often are paid less than minimum wage makes chaos out of the whole system. If their employers were forced to pay minimum wage, there wouldn't be a segment of "illegal immigrant only" jobs. And more people in the USA means more people buying stuff which means things tend to equal out in terms of jobs because of the increase in demand for everything that people buy -- so no it doesn't boil down to "they're taking all our jobs from us." By being here they also create jobs.

Americans need to wake up and realize: Even if you take it to the craziest Gestapo extremes, even if you build a 1000 foot all with a moat on each side, no matter what you do if you have a large mass of people who want to get into the USA, they're going to get here no matter what you do to stop them. Rather than fighting an impossible battle, it's time to change tactics. Try to make solutions work out in the best interests of the USA. Continually escalating immigration enforcement and doing nothing else ain't EVER going to work and it just turns the USA into a psychotically paranoid police state.

I disagree.

1. The Irish came legally.
2.Also the never push for Irish as an US language.
3.The Irish assimilated
 
Old 06-02-2011, 12:12 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010 View Post
In my opinion, Hispanics and others coming from south of the border are the new Irish. Back in the 1800's the Irish were leaving Ireland in droves and coming here. They were poor, they were uneducated and they were viewed as the lowliest scum of the earth by a lot of Americans. Well ... they actually helped make this nation great. As they incorporated themselves into society in the USA. Prejudices diminished. Now they are just part of the mix here and nobody is freaking out about the droves of Irish that came to America.

The difference is that today we have this notion of limiting immigration into the USA. That didn't exist back when the Irish immigration was happening. Today we've made it incredibly difficult to become a citizen and we keep trying to close the border with Mexico to stop the flow in illegal immigrants coming into the USA.

Consider for a moment: East Germany was a police state that put the USSR and Nazi Germany to shame. They built a wall to stop people from crossing the border. They spied on everyone and knew in great detail what everyone in East Germany was doing at all times. They're spared no effort to keep the East Germans inside East Germany. Yet for all their super-control-freak measures, land-mines, barbed wire, and other death traps at the border, they STILL weren't successful in stopping people from leaving East Germany.

When people desperately want to cross a border, they're going to cross now matter what obstacles you put in their way. This may be a lousy time for it economically, but I've long since concluded that US immigration needs to open the flood gates and let more of them in legally. Do something to legalize those that are already here -- and sure penalize them in the process for breaking the law. But that's an estimated 12 million people that are paying no taxes but reaping most of the benefits that those taxes pay for. The fact that they often are paid less than minimum wage makes chaos out of the whole system. If their employers were forced to pay minimum wage, there wouldn't be a segment of "illegal immigrant only" jobs. And more people in the USA means more people buying stuff which means things tend to equal out in terms of jobs because of the increase in demand for everything that people buy -- so no it doesn't boil down to "they're taking all our jobs from us." By being here they also create jobs.

Americans need to wake up and realize: Even if you take it to the craziest Gestapo extremes, even if you build a 1000 foot all with a moat on each side, no matter what you do if you have a large mass of people who want to get into the USA, they're going to get here no matter what you do to stop them. Rather than fighting an impossible battle, it's time to change tactics. Try to make solutions work out in the best interests of the USA. Continually escalating immigration enforcement and doing nothing else ain't EVER going to work and it just turns the USA into a psychotically paranoid police state.
The irish didn't lay claim to north america demanding the rest of us leave. Perhaps it's time you woke up.

 
Old 06-02-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Good. The US needs a constant flow of immigrants. Immigrant families have the strongest work ethic in the US.
Yeah..now if they would only get educated before they came here..at least a HS diploma. A 5th grade education doesn't get you far in the workplace these days.
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