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View Poll Results: Do You Have Illegal Immigrants As Neighbors ?
YES 29 46.03%
NO 34 53.97%
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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For the 1000th time, you must know English to be a U.S citizen. There are exceptions to the elderly which is very few.

And for the 1,000,000th time Puerto Rico is not a state.

America is made up of the United States and has Puerto Rico as a territory.
When Puerto Rico becomes a state then you can debate the issue with PR.
PR is a separate country as it stands until it becomes a state and unite with us.
Agreed. The only other exception would be children born here and the parents don't speak English at home so they haven't learned English yet.

Agreed about Puerto Rico also. Puerto Rico is not a state, it is a territory. It is a separate country. If they want to nit-pic and describe them only as U.S. citizens without acknowledging the above it is because they are trying to put up a false argument about English usage and requirements in THIS country.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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For the 1000th time, you must know English to be a U.S citizen. There are exceptions to the elderly which is very few...
Previously you have stated it was "required" to know English to be a U.S. citizen. Are you meaning to say that it is a requirement (with exemptions for the elderly) to be able to naturalize as a U.S. citizen? Lack of clarity on your part fails the statement as you have made it.

When an immigrant naturalizes, the interviewer will ask the civic test questions in English (unless wavered for the elderly, in which they continue past any testing in the applicant's native language). They will also ask the person naturalizing to transcribe a spoken sentence in English. This demonstrates a rudimentary functionality in English, and by no means is a comprehensive fluency test.

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...And for the 1,000,000th time Puerto Rico is not a state.

America is made up of the United States and has Puerto Rico as a territory.
When Puerto Rico becomes a state then you can debate the issue with PR.
PR is a separate country as it stands until it becomes a state and unite with us.
Are the inhabitants of Puerto Rico defined as "U.S. citizens"? Do all Puerto Rician U.S. citizens "know" English? Add clarity or change your statement, but don't call me wrong for challenging it as phrased.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:22 PM
 
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Previously you have stated it was "required" to know English to be a U.S. citizen. Are you meaning to say that it is a requirement (with exemptions for the elderly) to be able to naturalize as a U.S. citizen? Lack of clarity on your part fails the statement as you have made it.

When an immigrant naturalizes, the interviewer will ask the civic test questions in English (unless wavered for the elderly, in which they continue past any testing in the applicant's native language). They will also ask the person naturalizing to transcribe a spoken sentence in English. This demonstrates a rudimentary functionality in English, and by no means is a comprehensive fluency test.



Are the inhabitants of Puerto Rico defined as "U.S. citizens"? Do all Puerto Rician U.S. citizens "know" English? Add clarity or change your statement, but don't call me wrong for challenging it as phrased.
You moving away from the argument.
Point is 99% of Americans speak English. In rare cases elderly immigrants are waived from this requirement.

America is the United States not United Territories.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Among the 0.8% of American citizens who do not know how to speak English, I wonder if the majority of that 0.8% is made up of Puerto Ricans.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...In rare cases elderly immigrants are waived from this requirement...
USCIS does track statistics (DHS | Immigration Statistics) like age for those that naturalize each year. In recent years the percentage of older immigrants has steadily decreased. Here are the numbers for the last three years:

2010:
Between age 45 to 54: 105,620
Between age 55 to 64: 61,755
Over age 65: 42,618

2009:
Between age 45 to 54: 133,538
Between age 55 to 64: 87,245
Over age 65: 57,908

2008:
Between age 45 to 54: 195,785
Between age 55 to 64: 131,854
Over age 65: 78,744

Keep in mind that a naturalizing immigrant can be as young as age 50 to qualify not to be tested on knowledge of the English language...

If you say that 99% of Americans know English, what is the percentage for both legal and illegal immigrants?...
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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My grandmother is a legal American citizen who was born in Poland, yet she still learned the language of this country. Sure she has an accent, but atleast she can still speak English. She assimilated into American society.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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That is what ticks me off about the "separation of families" rhetoric that the pro-illegals use. At least an illegal has the option of taking their families with them back to their homeland if they get deported, an American doesn't have the luxury of remaining with their families if they break the law and receive a jail sentence for it.


Any children born here in the U.S. to illegals from Mexico have dual American/Mexican citizenship! Their first language is Spanish. So exactly how is it so terrible for the parents to take these children back to their own nation, Mexico?? They are as much Mexican citizens as American!
Plus, they reinforce Spanish in the household, teach their children to view Mexico as some "Holy Land" and they raise their children in conditions which are more in keeping with living in Mexico. May as well just take them BACK to the "beloved" homeland.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Any children born here in the U.S. to illegals from Mexico have dual American/Mexican citizenship! Their first language is Spanish. So exactly how is it so terrible for the parents to take these children back to their own nation, Mexico?? They are as much Mexican citizens as American!
The Mexican parent(s) can apply for their children to gain Mexican nationality (and it doesn't matter for any immigration or citizenship status the parent(s) have in the United States or elsewhere, as long as they are Mexican citizens). It isn't citizenship (they cannot serve in the Mexican military or public office in Mexico), nor awarded upon birth. How do you know their "first language" is Spanish in those situations?

Misunderstanding on your part, but I understand how there is a failure to study references...
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:56 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Plus, they reinforce Spanish in the household, teach their children to view Mexico as some "Holy Land" and they raise their children in conditions which are more in keeping with living in Mexico. May as well just take them BACK to the "beloved" homeland.
did you get all this info from your daughter's half-Mexican friend's eavesdropping?
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:14 PM
 
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The Mexican parent(s) can apply for their children to gain Mexican nationality (and it doesn't matter for any immigration or citizenship status the parent(s) have in the United States or elsewhere, as long as they are Mexican citizens). It isn't citizenship (they cannot serve in the Mexican military or public office in Mexico), nor awarded upon birth. How do you know their "first language" is Spanish in those situations?

Misunderstanding on your part, but I understand how there is a failure to study references...
What's the difference if it is Mexican citizenship or nationality? Most if not all Mexican illegal's first language is Spanish (unless they are pureblooded indigenous it might be an exception). Most adult illegal Mexicans that come here do not speak English. What language do you think their U.S. born or Mexican born children learn at home as their primary language?
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