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Old 06-12-2011, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Actually Harry could never have won against any rational candidate. But they ran a right wing anti. Lost bad.

The only one who believes the Casinos employ illegals is the antis. There are a whole lot of practical reasons why that never happens. Note that Las Vegas Casino employees generally make more tha 15 an hour with full benefits. You find that deficient?
Do you actually believe there are no illegals working in Nevada casinos? Please.

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A report on illegal immigrants says Nevada has the largest share of illegal workers in the nation, a population that has grown despite record unemployment.

The Pew Hispanic Center's annual report published Tuesday shows roughly 10 percent of Nevada workers are illegal immigrants who are not authorized by the federal government to work.
Nevada home to largest share of illegal workers - Monday, Jan. 31, 2011 | 3:16 p.m. - Las Vegas Sun (http://www.lasvegassol.com/news/2011/jan/31/nv-illegal-immigration-nevada/ - broken link)

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And Sharon Angle really believes that the illegal vote did her in. If you believe Sharon you really should not go out in public without a guardian.
It wasnít just Sharron Angle, but DREAMies themselves boasted about THEIR votes winning the election for Harry Reid. I certainly hope you donít believe they didnít vote simply because itís illegal.

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Neither is Maricopa...and the border counties appear to have low crime and little problem with illegals.
Yeah, if you exclude kidnappings and home invasions by Mexican drug cartels from the equation. Oh, thatís right, THOSE illegal aliens donít count.

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Surprising as it may seem, Phoenix has become America's kidnapping capital. Last year 368 abductions were reported, compared with 117 in 2000. Police say the real number is likely much higher, since many go unreported. Though in the past most of the nabbings stemmed from domestic-violence incidents, now the majority are linked to drug-trafficking and human-smuggling operations that pervade the Arizona corridor. It's still unclear to what extent the snatchings are being directly ordered by Mexican cartels, but authorities say they're undoubtedly a byproduct of the drug-fueled mayhem south of the border. "The tactics are moving north," says assistant police chief Andy Anderson. "We don't have the violence they have in Mexico yetóthe killing of police officers and the beheadingsóbut in terms of kidnappings and home invasions, it has come."
Crime: Mexico's Drug Violence Crosses the Border - Newsweek

 
Old 06-12-2011, 10:55 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Do you actually believe there are no illegals working in Nevada casinos? Please.
Virtually none. There are a whole lot of reasons why dealing with unions and extremely tight gambling regulations. YOu may find some in restaurants and such which are concessions. But very close to zero on the Casino payrolls.

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Nevada home to largest share of illegal workers - Monday, Jan. 31, 2011 | 3:16 p.m. - Las Vegas Sun (http://www.lasvegassol.com/news/2011/jan/31/nv-illegal-immigration-nevada/ - broken link)
That is what I said I think. You are agreeing?


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It wasnít just Sharron Angle, but DREAMies themselves boasted about THEIR votes winning the election for Harry Reid. I certainly hope you donít believe they didnít vote simply because itís illegal.
Source? The only one who believes Sharon was damaged by an illegal vote is Sharon. And she believes lots of things.


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Yeah, if you exclude kidnappings and home invasions by Mexican drug cartels from the equation. Oh, thatís right, THOSE illegal aliens donít count.


Crime: Mexico's Drug Violence Crosses the Border - Newsweek
Actually all the purported home invasions and kidnapping occurred in Maricopa which is not on the border. The border cities show no such problems and have in fact very low crime.

Note that in general those numbers have been dis-owned. A final federal report is still due but it is pretty clear that Phoenix is not a world leader in the field.
 
Old 06-12-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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Virtually none. There are a whole lot of reasons why dealing with unions and extremely tight gambling regulations. YOu may find some in restaurants and such which are concessions. But very close to zero on the Casino payrolls.
You canít be that naive. The unions are only interested in collecting dues, and they donít care whether the source of the revenue is from legal workers or illegal aliens. Please donít tell me you believe in the integrity of union leaders. Moreover, why do you think so many unions march alongside illegals in opposition to anti-illegal laws? If they arenít employing illegals, do you actually think they would care?

Do you have access to the payroll records of Nevada casinos? If not, what is the basis for your assertion?

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That is what I said I think. You are agreeing?
The point being, if Nevada is the home of the largest illegal alien population, naturally, they are also working the casinos. Can you prove otherwise?

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Source? The only one who believes Sharon was damaged by an illegal vote is Sharon. And she believes lots of things.
Youíll have to search the threads at the Dream Act Portal Forum. I read it there, and have no reason to lie.

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Actually all the purported home invasions and kidnapping occurred in Maricopa which is not on the border. The border cities show no such problems and have in fact very low crime.

Note that in general those numbers have been dis-owned. A final federal report is still due but it is pretty clear that Phoenix is not a world leader in the field.
Given that only recently has law enforcement even inquired about the immigration status of criminals, we really do not have accurate data on crimes committed by illegal aliens. Nevertheless, if they arenít committing crimes in Border States, they damn sure are elsewhere.
 
Old 06-12-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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You canít be that naive. The unions are only interested in collecting dues, and they donít care whether the source of the revenue is from legal workers or illegal aliens. Please donít tell me you believe in the integrity of union leaders. Moreover, why do you think so many unions march alongside illegals in opposition to anti-illegal laws? If they arenít employing illegals, do you actually think they would care?

Do you have access to the payroll records of Nevada casinos? If not, what is the basis for your assertion?
Sheldon Adelson would be more than glad to pay a small fortune for a good illegal exposure in the union casinos. And the union would pay a small fortune to nail Adelson. And there are a number of such relationships.

Plus it is at least as tightly regulated as most government payrolls.

I would never say never...remember we just had an Anchorage Police Officer identified as an illegal. But it is very small and well done if it exists.



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The point being, if Nevada is the home of the largest illegal alien population, naturally, they are also working the casinos. Can you prove otherwise?



Youíll have to search the threads at the Dream Act Portal Forum. I read it there, and have no reason to lie.



Given that only recently has law enforcement even inquired about the immigration status of criminals, we really do not have accurate data on crimes committed by illegal aliens. Nevertheless, if they arenít committing crimes in Border States, they damn sure are elsewhere.
there are a very large number of people who would love to blow the whistle on this one. Including the unions and various management groups. There have been virtually no such scandals in the 16 years I have lived here. Note that they do verify SS cards and numbers and very carefully. Full background checks are standard.

The illegals are very active in the construction industry, landscaping, restaurants and unskilled labor tasks. I doubt there is a legal diswasher in town and many of those won't be on the books. Their populaton is down sharply in Las Vegas as the residental construction industry is on its back.

There are more than enough sources that the illegals are low on crime. You simply will not accept that fact.

Perhaps the Unz article in the American Conservative will help you understand.

The American Conservative -- His-Panic
 
Old 06-12-2011, 12:29 PM
 
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Sources that refuse to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration are not credible. Illegal immigration is inherently a crime. Once here illegals continue to commit crimes. They forge documents so they can work. They engage in tax fraud by not paying taxes. They drive without licenses and insurance. They use medical services without paying for them.

It is disingenous to imply otherwise. Accept it and move on. Your first act upon moving to another country should not be to break the law. I wouldn' move to Mexico and start littering or speeding. Why are Americans supposed to look the other way when illegals do so?
 
Old 06-12-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Sources that refuse to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration are not credible. Illegal immigration is inherently a crime. Once here illegals continue to commit crimes. They forge documents so they can work. They engage in tax fraud by not paying taxes. They drive without licenses and insurance. They use medical services without paying for them.

It is disingenous to imply otherwise. Accept it and move on. Your first act upon moving to another country should not be to break the law. I wouldn' move to Mexico and start littering or speeding. Why are Americans supposed to look the other way when illegals do so?
This is again a pointless discussion. Illegal presence is not a crime. Working off the books is not a crime. You need to get a new rant.

If you removed all illegals the crime rate goes up...not down.
 
Old 06-12-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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This is again a pointless discussion. Illegal presence is not a crime. Working off the books is not a crime. You need to get a new rant.

If you removed all illegals the crime rate goes up...not down.
If you really believe that working off the books is not a crime then this is a ludicrous discusssion. You cannot legally work without permission and you can't refuse to file a tax return if you are legally working. I remain baffled that you can possibly argue otherwise. Moving to America without permission is also a crime. Remove all illegals and you'll get huge benefits including a reduced need for social services, a decrease in the unemployment rate, increased wages and a reduction in school overcrowding.

Credibility rises when you stick to the facts.

Illegals are mostly hispanics high school school drop outs with lots of children. They don't speak English and have very little to offer an employer other than their own willingness to work for pathetic wages. Their decision to ignore our immigration laws does not benefit anyone. Even their own countries would be better off if they stayed there and worked for change in their native lands instead of coming here and causing huge problems for most Americans.
 
Old 06-12-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Sheldon Adelson would be more than glad to pay a small fortune for a good illegal exposure in the union casinos. And the union would pay a small fortune to nail Adelson. And there are a number of such relationships.

Plus it is at least as tightly regulated as most government payrolls.

I would never say never...remember we just had an Anchorage Police Officer identified as an illegal. But it is very small and well done if it exists.





there are a very large number of people who would love to blow the whistle on this one. Including the unions and various management groups. There have been virtually no such scandals in the 16 years I have lived here. Note that they do verify SS cards and numbers and very carefully. Full background checks are standard.

The illegals are very active in the construction industry, landscaping, restaurants and unskilled labor tasks. I doubt there is a legal diswasher in town and many of those won't be on the books. Their populaton is down sharply in Las Vegas as the residental construction industry is on its back.

There are more than enough sources that the illegals are low on crime. You simply will not accept that fact.

Perhaps the Unz article in the American Conservative will help you understand.

The American Conservative -- His-Panic
Do you actually not realize how much money talks? The unions were corrupt in the past, they are corrupt now, and they will be corrupt in the future. But, you are entitled to believe in fairytales.

Again, unless you are privy to the payroll records of union organizations, you have absolutely no proof they do not employ illegals. If you have proof, please share. Until then, I will continue to believe illegal aliens are working in Nevada casinos.

Talk about an oxymoron -- low crime and illegal immigration. I suppose the majority of illegals have a SSN they did not obtain through fraud or theft, none are committing tax evasion by working under the table, and they are all here with legal authorization. I wonít even get started on the countless illegal alien rapists, murderers, gangbangers, and sicko pedophiles.
 
Old 06-12-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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This is again a pointless discussion. Illegal presence is not a crime. Working off the books is not a crime. You need to get a new rant.

If you removed all illegals the crime rate goes up...not down.
You continue to try to obfuscate. Working "off the books" is not illegal. However, working off the books, AND failing to report all of oneís cash income, IS illegal. Are you suggesting that illegal aliens who work off the books are reporting their income, and that their employers are also maintaining records of these cash transactions, and reporting their earnings to the IRS? Do you think illegal workers are being issued 1099ís? Get real. It is tax evasion, plain and simple. In case you donít know, tax evasion is a federal crime, punishable by penalties, fines, and/or imprisonment.

Furthermore, it is also a crime, albeit a misdemeanor crime, to enter this country without authorization. However, more than one illegal entry is a felony. Needless to say, there are millions of illegal alien felons.
 
Old 06-12-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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You continue to try to obfuscate. Working "off the books" is not illegal. However, working off the books, AND failing to report all of oneís cash income, IS illegal. Are you suggesting that illegal aliens who work off the books are reporting their income, and that their employers are also maintaining records of these cash transactions, and reporting their earnings to the IRS? Do you think illegal workers are being issued 1099ís? Get real. It is tax evasion, plain and simple. In case you donít know, tax evasion is a federal crime, punishable by penalties, fines, and/or imprisonment.
No obfuscation. I am sure some illegals don't pay all their taxes. I am sure many tipped workers don't pay all their taxes. I am also aware of some illegals who pay taxes against a TIN.

Both may well be guilty of a crime but it is virtually never dealt with as such. So I think in both cases it is proper to consider at an administrative violation of the tax code that opens one to civil penalties.

I would think off the books to be a substantial problem that we should try very hard to stamp out. Another reason why pushing the illegals off the legal books is dull.

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Furthermore, it is also a crime, albeit a misdemeanor crime, to enter this country without authorization. However, more than one illegal entry is a felony. Needless to say, there are millions of illegal alien felons.
Again any number of things are possible. If the illegal is here 10 years the statute of limitations runs out and all is forgiven. If caught it is almost certain that an adminstrative action will be used to remove the individual. It can be criminal but need not be.
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