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Old 06-08-2011, 01:36 PM
 
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I do not have identification and I still get treated at the hospital. It is not a big deal. A lot of us do this when we cant afford insurance.
You don't even have a DL? That's odd. If an American is being treated in the ER for non-life threatening conditions and they don't have insurance it is a whole lot different than treating those who can't get on Medicaid and are here illegally in our country.

 
Old 06-08-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Hudson County, NJ
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Then we would hear the usual cries of "racial profiling".

Not if you ask EVERYONE. Simple way to get around the "racial profiling".

But also, to hell with "racial profiling".
 
Old 06-08-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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Not if you ask EVERYONE. Simple way to get around the "racial profiling".

But also, to hell with "racial profiling".
The pro-illegals would ask that it be proven and still find reason to cry "racial profiling". I agree "to hell with their cries" we need to get this done.
 
Old 06-08-2011, 01:46 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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The above statement is 100% true. Also, another poster stated a definition of an emergency, and to that definition I agree on most of it. In the ER we must assess the patient or do what is generally called an MSE or Medical Screening Exam, within a reasonable amout of time, based on the standard of practice in the United States.

Texan had asked if an emergency can be evaluated from triage, to that I say yes and no. Example 1: person comes in with bleeding finger. No other symtoms etc, that is not a life or death emergency. Example 2: someone comes in complaining of chest pain, not easy to diagnose without further testing. 1AngryTaxPayer is correct in that illegals use the ER as a clinic because they know they can't be turned down.

The Federal Law known as EMTALA, states that any person coming to the ER must have an MSE to determine the severity of the complaint. Also, should an organization want to receive Federal funding ie medicare, they must see anyone who comes through the doors. Since about 70% of an institutions funds come from medicare all will choose to see the patient. Ditchlights we do try and see if every person who comes in without insurance can qualify for medicare/medical. And yes some hospitals write off millions a month because illegals don't qualify. That is one reason some hospitals have shut their ER. The bleeding a facility takes is at times to much. One last thing is as we don't have the time or resources to call ICE on the illegals. And if we don't treat people and they leave and die and can prove that they died because the ER didn't treat them, well the lawsuits would be atrocious.

If our country can stop the onslaught of illegals then the problem is solved. But in the meantime, I would like the EMTALA law to be changed so that if the ER determines NO LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCY on a patient we should be able to send them packing, with no reprecussions. Just about every person working in the hospital system (at least the hundreds I have talked to over the years) is sick of the entitlement illegals seem to display, as well as their abuse of the ER. And yes it is easy to determine their legal status when they are admitted. Getting real old treating tummy aches and cold's all day.
My quote was not a question, rather a statement of occurrance. Every ER has a screening process/triage to set order of importance. People are ranked by their symptoms, not ablity to pay or immigration status.
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Any individual who comes in for emergency care is entitled to an appropriate medical screening examination and stabilization of an emergency condition.

An appropriate screening examination is the same screening examination the hospital would offer to any other patient in a similar condition with similar symptoms.


EMTALA states emergency medical treatment..and nothing in the EMTALA guidelines defines Emergency medical treatment as treating only Life Threatening cases...

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EMTALA defines an emergency medical condition as "a condition manifesting itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity (including severe pain) such that the absence of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in placing the individual's health [or the health of an unborn child] in serious jeopardy, serious impairment to bodily functions, or serious dysfunction of bodily organs."
If a Hospital[per "knowledge" of posters] is treating minor injuries, then the hosital is not following EMTALA guidlines and has an even broader guidline of treatment for Emergency medical conditions, than EMTALA.
 
Old 06-08-2011, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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My quote was not a question, rather a statement of occurrance. Every ER has a screening process/triage to set order of importance. People are ranked by their symptoms, not ablity to pay or immigration status.


EMTALA states emergency medical treatment..and nothing in the EMTALA guidelines defines Emergency medical treatment as treating only Life Threatening cases...



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If a Hospital[per "knowledge" of posters] is treating minor injuries, then the hosital is not following EMTALA guidlines and has an even broader guidline of treatment for Emergency medical conditions, than EMTALA.
Now there's one thing that I have to agree with you on.

It's always been clear to me that, Emergency Rooms were just that, For emergencies.
And at one time, that's all they could be used for.
 
Old 06-08-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: California
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My quote was not a question, rather a statement of occurrance. Every ER has a screening process/triage to set order of importance. People are ranked by their symptoms, not ablity to pay or immigration status.


EMTALA states emergency medical treatment..and nothing in the EMTALA guidelines defines Emergency medical treatment as treating only Life Threatening cases...



If a Hospital[per "knowledge" of posters] is treating minor injuries, then the hosital is not following EMTALA guidlines and has an even broader guidline of treatment for Emergency medical conditions, than EMTALA.
Why do you always go on the defensive texan? I was not in anyway by quoting you saying you were wrong. No need to defend yourself again.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in a Hospital? By your answers I wonder. An emergency room must see every patient that comes in the door period. When it is determined there is no life threating emergency technically the er has done its job. And technically an er could send them walking. But due to the thristy lawyers, ACLU and a slew of other organizations it is much easier to just treat. Answer my question honestly and then we can debate this issue more if you would like. Until then I won't respond to your attempt at twisting the issue to what you think is logical. I must say you have no idea what you are talking about. Until you do please don't respond to my posts when I am attempting to answer the OP's question. Your poor attempt at copy/paste of laws then your attempt to interpet them doesn't even come close to what happens in the ER 24/7....
 
Old 06-09-2011, 04:19 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Why do you always go on the defensive texan? I was not in anyway by quoting you saying you were wrong. No need to defend yourself again.
Let me ask you a question. Have you ever worked in a Hospital? By your answers I wonder. An emergency room must see every patient that comes in the door period. When it is determined there is no life threating emergency technically the er has done its job. And technically an er could send them walking. But due to the thristy lawyers, ACLU and a slew of other organizations it is much easier to just treat. Answer my question honestly and then we can debate this issue more if you would like. Until then I won't respond to your attempt at twisting the issue to what you think is logical. I must say you have no idea what you are talking about. Until you do please don't respond to my posts when I am attempting to answer the OP's question. Your poor attempt at copy/paste of laws then your attempt to interpet them doesn't even come close to what happens in the ER 24/7....
If a hospital treats beyond EMTALA guidelines...for what ever reason, that is not because of the law. It is a decision by the hospital to protect its self from suit.

The reason I posted the EMTALA guidelines, is you keep saying EMC is a "life threating" emergency. Another reason I did this was to illustrate to forum readers that posters "caliming" to see non-emergencies in the ER, as untrained "on-lookers" are in no position to access what an EMC is or is not...

Even a cut finger[as one poster suggested] may not be "life threating"[as defined by you, not EMTALA] but untill accessed by a trained professional, can be more complicated than "looks". If you'ra a health professional, you should know that...

If you wish to illustate how anything I've posted is contrary to the actions in your hospital go ahead;b ut you working in a hospital, or the actions of your hospital, are not... and cannot be generalized to all hospitals.

EMTALA and its guidelines, on the otherhand, is the law in all ERs.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Show up in the hospital emergency room with a gunshot or knife wound or a child who has fallen off a swing, though, and see just how quickly law enforcement or Social Services is called in! The automatic assumption of hospital staff will be that some type of crime has been committed. In my opinion an illegal showing up at the hospital to drop their illegal baby to make it "American" should at the very least be considered child abuse, due to the future difficulties the parent is willfully prepared to put their child through for their own selfish benefits.
That’s an excellent point. Hospitals are required to contact police when a patient is admitted to the ER suffering from a gunshot or knife wound, or Child Protective Services when they suspect a case of child abuse. Likewise, they should be required to report “suspected” illegal aliens to ICE. If a person has no SSN, no DL (or other valid ID), and cannot speak English, it is highly unlikely that they are a citizen of this country, or here legally. Even those here on tourist visas will have government-issued ID.

It is well-documented that illegals are overwhelming our healthcare system. Heck, in some areas, illegals account for the majority of tax-funded maternity care. It defies logic for the U.S. to allow illegal aliens to continue this brazen abuse of taxpayers, particularly, given our current economic woes. Not only do they receive “free” ER treatment, but also other non-emergency medical care, all at taxpayers’ expense.

Clearly, we cannot afford this unnecessary burden, and there is absolutely no reason we should. This is a prime example of a “benefit” illegal aliens should be denied. If it is determined that a patient is not suffering from a life-threatening medical emergency, and he/she cannot prove legal status, treatment should be denied, unless they are prepared to pay in advance. After all, we are not obligated to be the healthcare provider for the world. Furthermore, there is no law requiring hospitals to treat illegal aliens for non-emergency ailments, and it is way past time for them to exercise that right. As long as we accommodate illegals, they will continue to come, and refuse to leave. Remove ALL incentives, and this country will cease to provide a “better life” than their countries of origin.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: colorado
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If an illegal goes to a hospital to have a baby or to treat an injury, why are they not taken into custody after they are treated. I recognize that the hospital cannot refuse them treatment, but what happens afterwards? Do they just release them and pass the bill to the taxpayers? The mission has already been accomplished (Anchor baby dropped). Is ICE contacted at all? How does this work? If I walked into an emergency room bleeding without identification and all I said was "No speka englash", what would I experience?

How about with obtaining a drivers liscense? How de we issue them to known illegals. The Department of Transportation is a federal agency. Do they not uphold our laws?

How do states expect to be able to enforce immigration policy if they can't even take care of business under these two circumstances. Everyday I see posts on this forum about what we can do to thwart illegal immigration. Build a high wall with electrical barbed wire atop it. Put an electronic monitor on their ankle. Yada Yada Yada....... Why go through any of this trouble when we just let them abuse our system with our blessings right in front of our eyes?

Do I just not get it??? What am I missing? How is it that a trip to the hospital for a normal person costs thousands upon thousands of dollars, but they can just waltz in and have a field day at our expense?

I can understand what you mean..Somethings are wrong and effect everyone.
My sister once took her son to the E.R. he has a really high fever, at the time he was an infant. They turnded her away because she had no insurance, they wouldn't see her baby. Let me tell you she was so livid..She let them know really loud so everyone could hear..
"What damn shame it was that she was an American Citizen and how she got turned away from the hospital, but if she was an illegal she would have no problem getting help"..She said after that everyone started clapping. They agreed with her.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Show up in the hospital emergency room with a gunshot or knife wound or a child who has fallen off a swing, though, and see just how quickly law enforcement or Social Services is called in! The automatic assumption of hospital staff will be that some type of crime has been committed. In my opinion an illegal showing up at the hospital to drop their illegal baby to make it "American" should at the very least be considered child abuse, due to the future difficulties the parent is willfully prepared to put their child through for their own selfish benefits.
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That’s an excellent point. Hospitals are required to contact police when a patient is admitted to the ER suffering from a gunshot or knife wound, or Child Protective Services when they suspect a case of child abuse. Likewise, they should be required to report “suspected” illegal aliens to ICE. If a person has no SSN, no DL (or other valid ID), and cannot speak English, it is highly unlikely that they are a citizen of this country, or here legally. Even those here on tourist visas will have government-issued ID.
And that argument is the main jist of this thread. The main question is "Really.... How hard is it to do this?" It seems like such a simple thing, and it should be. What is wrong with our system? It seems like basic common sense, yet we continue to allow this nonsense. It is nothing short of a slap in the face to the average everyday person that has to live life and pay their dues like every other CITIZEN. The fact of the matter is that our government just DOES NOT CARE, and no politician would dare introduce this type of legislation for fear of ruining their reelection odds with the Hispanic community. The bottom line is that hispanics that are here legally support amnesty, and that topic is paramount in how they vote.

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It is well-documented that illegals are overwhelming our healthcare system. Heck, in some areas, illegals account for the majority of tax-funded maternity care. It defies logic for the U.S. to allow illegal aliens to continue this brazen abuse of taxpayers, particularly, given our current economic woes. Not only do they receive “free” ER treatment, but also other non-emergency medical care, all at taxpayers’ expense.
Defies logic is damn right! That's why the thread title is "I must be stupid. Could someone explain to me how this works?". Any person with half a brain can see what is going on, yet................ the madness continues.
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