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Old 06-09-2011, 05:51 PM
 
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Legal immigrants, who waited their turn, should recieve all benefits of being a citizen. Those who disrespected our laws, came here illegally, should be returned back where they came from, with their illegal children who were not meant to be born here.

Public hospitals are going broke, taking care of non-citizens who have no health insurance. Meaning, then NO ONE GETS healthcare, unless you are well off, or have private insurance.

My Grandmother was born in Mexico...she was not granted citizenship there. My son was born in Germany, he was not automatically given a passport and German Citizenship. Things have changed in the United States...laws need to change to reflect society changes.

 
Old 06-09-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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I can't believe you don't understand what the poster is saying. He is saying that is wrong for Obama to compare those who came through Ellis Island "legally" yesterday to those who are jumping our borders and coming here "illegally" today. It has nothing to do with those who are citizens today.
Obama said no such thing. He said those whose ancestors came through Ellis Island, arrived in slave ships or crossed the Rio Grande.

You really think Obama believes their are currently slave ships?
 
Old 06-09-2011, 05:54 PM
 
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I wouldn't call what the states have initiated in regards to enforcement of immigration law, the status quo. This is just the beginning.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 05:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I wouldn't call what the states have initiated in regards to enforcement of immigration law, the status quo. This is just the beginning.
Oh you know it.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 06:01 PM
 
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Obama said no such thing. He said those whose ancestors came through Ellis Island, arrived in slave ships or crossed the Rio Grande.

You really think Obama believes their are currently slave ships?
Learn to read between the lines. What Obama was implying is that it makes no difference if one's ancestors came through Ellis Island legally or one's ancestors crossed the Rio Grande illegally. If I remember correctly he was addressing an audience of illegal alien sympathizer Hispanics and that is why he referenced the Rio Grande. But even if not, no American in their right mind would object to someone coming over the Rio Grande legally so there was no reason for Obama to even bring that up except to erase the lines between legal and illegal immigrants.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Legal immigrants, who waited their turn, should recieve all benefits of being a citizen. Those who disrespected our laws, came here illegally, should be returned back where they came from, with their illegal children who were not meant to be born here.
Actually legal immigrants who waited their turn are denied a number of the benefits of citizenship for a significant time period. We are almost as skeptical of legal immigrants as we are of illegal.

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Public hospitals are going broke, taking care of non-citizens who have no health insurance. Meaning, then NO ONE GETS healthcare, unless you are well off, or have private insurance.
Public hospitals are going broke taking care of the poor. We should fix that. And we choose not to.

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My Grandmother was born in Mexico...she was not granted citizenship there. My son was born in Germany, he was not automatically given a passport and German Citizenship. Things have changed in the United States...laws need to change to reflect society changes.
In the western hemisphere we generally go for the at birth citizenship. It is not followed in much of the rest of the world often driven by the fact that the colonial powers granted citizenship to their colonies...which they decided was not a good idea as the colonials developed sufficent wealth and mobility to move to the motherland. Little white nations were scared to death by large brown and black ones.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Actually legal immigrants who waited their turn are denied a number of the benefits of citizenship for a significant time period. We are almost as skeptical of legal immigrants as we are of illegal.
Yes, it’s a dirty shame that illegal aliens receive benefits denied to foreigners who play by the rules. Case in point, legal foreign students are required to pay higher college tuition rates, while illegal aliens receive in-state tuition rates in several states. Crazy.


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Public hospitals are going broke taking care of the poor. We should fix that. And we choose not to.
And, a high percentage of those “poor” are here illegally, sucking the taxpayers dry. Yes, we need to fix this problem, and a good start would be to deny illegal aliens ALL benefits.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 06:49 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Yes, it’s a dirty shame that illegal aliens receive benefits denied to foreigners who play by the rules. Case in point, legal foreign students are required to pay higher college tuition rates, while illegal aliens receive in-state tuition rates in several states. Crazy.
Nope...perfectly rational if you believe those particular students are not going to be deported. Based on the last 30 years experience do you really believe we are going to eventually deport those students?



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And, a high percentage of those “poor” are here illegally, sucking the taxpayers dry. Yes, we need to fix this problem, and a good start would be to deny illegal aliens ALL benefits.
Playing cute again are we?

What percentage?

You wish to deny all the poor or the illegal poor or the poor who speak english badly? Which poor?
 
Old 06-09-2011, 06:52 PM
 
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QFT. I have a friend who has Canadian citizenship, and she said each LEGAL resident has his or her own "care card," with a number on it similar to the SSN. If you don't have this card, you will be denied medical care. We need to do this.
Your friend would appear to be wrong. The official Canada traveler's website has this to say:

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Hospital care for non-residents of Canada is charged at a daily rate or calculated based on medical condition and length of stay. Charges vary across the country, but range from $1,000-$2,000 CDN a day.
From here: Things to know about Canada (http://uscw.canada.travel/about-canada - broken link)

This, by the way, is the model used by most Western countries: Residents are covered, non-residents will be charged. (For smaller issues, quite often not. It's paperwork and annoying and who has the time?) But denying care to someone in obvious need is not in accordance with the ethical obligations of the medical profession.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 06:59 PM
 
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Nope...perfectly rational if you believe those particular students are not going to be deported. Based on the last 30 years experience do you really believe we are going to eventually deport those students?





Playing cute again are we?

What percentage?

You wish to deny all the poor or the illegal poor or the poor who speak english badly? Which poor?
Does it matter? They can't legally get a job so what use is that degree unless they move home.
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