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Old 06-13-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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Then wouldn't it be nice if people stayed IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY and left our jobs to the citizens here? I believe our Federal Government says that's the way it is supposed to be. Why are they not enforcing the law and protecting the tax paying citizens of this country?

It seems rather strange that so many states are trying to take action to protect the citizens within their states yet the feds are fighting them. Doesn't make sense.
I am not sure how the federal government or anybody can determine how "it" should be. Companies are owned by individuals with self interest. If that interest does not align with caring about America, then why should they care? People don't start businesses to "help America, or give people jobs". They do it for profit.
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Old 06-13-2011, 05:28 PM
 
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And you don't think that having twenty to thirty million undocumented people here is adding to that?
It's a newer issue added on to the overall issue that has been happening since the 70s. Getting rid of them is only going to be a drop in the bucket IF it really means anything.
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: AL
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Wow. Anybody you're not angry with?

Hmm angry..Ya maybe.

People like you live in lala land....This country is in a bad way and if we don't wake up were finish and if you don't think it can't happen....I feel bad for you.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:04 PM
 
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[quote=Reactionary;19519196]Spending tax dollars "defending challenges to this stuff" will be cheaper than the 'economic hardship and lawlessness' cost of illegal immigrants.

Representative Micky Hammon said that "the cost in Alabama of educating children of illegal immigrants cost about $200 million a year" plus "the costs of medical care, law enforcement, depressed wages, lost tax revenue, and education."


I understand why people come here from outside the US - I just do not understand why the companies/individuals that have been employing them for over 25 years don't get super heavy penalties. Blame the little guy while the big guy makes a profit!!
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:34 PM
 
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I am not sure how the federal government or anybody can determine how "it" should be. Companies are owned by individuals with self interest. If that interest does not align with caring about America, then why should they care? People don't start businesses to "help America, or give people jobs". They do it for profit.

I guess the Federal Government can determine by enforcing the laws that have always been on the books? Our country was founded on immigrants...legal ones. Our LAWS dictate how IT SHOULD BE.

And yes, the government has been turning a blind eye while companies are breaking the law. I blame the businesses as well as the illegals. But to ask why the Feds should care is preposterous. Not all citizens own businesses, and they are elected to uphold our laws.

However, it is constantly repeated that the US drug users are to blame for the cartels that sell to them...you can't have it both ways. If businesses are at fault for hiring illegals than the cartels would logically be responsible for our high drug use.

Of course this will not be the end of our financial problems, but it could be the beginning of the end.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:36 PM
 
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Oh pardon me, the law in Mississippi similar to the Arizona law did not advance in the Mississippi State Government. We need one like y'all in Alabama though!
No dis-respect, just wondering:

Will folks take those jobs for less than minimum wage w/ no benefits?

Why is it when folks say immigrants - they for the most part ignore illegals from Canada, Asia, and Europe (I've seen plenty of them access the same services) and concentrate on folks of Mexican decent?

Why is there not more of a focus on the companies hiring them even with certain laws already in place?

If a person come to the US to get a so called better life because companies are hiring them - why shouldn't they access the system if they have a family - should their children not go to school?

Just a few questions that puzzle me - I knew someone that was upper middle class and paid their illegal maid/nanny less than minimum wage to take care of their precious gems(children) as well as cook and clean and work long hours. This is not an isolated incident - multi billion contruction indutry uses them also as well as agricultural

Just asking..........
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Mobile, AL
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I'm not going to go through all these pages, but I did read the first few posts and when I got to the "Alabama is just a racist..." I just rolled my eyes and stopped reading. That seems to have become the first line of defense for some people.

How is enforcing the law racist? Some of the same type of comments were made about Riley's task force on illegal gambling. "Oh, it makes us look bad!". So what, it's illegal and why should a few law breakers make money on something that's illegal while others don't profit but obey the law. Along those same lines and besides the economics of it all, why should illegal immigrants be given free passage while others are actually working a little harder to enter the country legally? How fair is that?
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:45 PM
 
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You know at first I thought it was a bit harsh and looked bad for the individual state. But now as I learn more about it, it makes sense. If some one is an illegal alien in any other country in the world, they will go to jail no questions asked, but yet we give them food stamps that we pay for, and health coverage. We have rolled out the red carpet way to long.
Some would say that the companies/people they work for are getting a free pass
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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All they are doing is seeing if said person is a citizen of the United States or not (such as Arizona's law designating that they can be asked said questions if they have been pulled over/stole a car/etc. What you don't seem to understand is that we have a very bad immigration problem in this country.

Illegal knows no color.

And it isn't just Alabama.

So far Arizona, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia. States that are very close to putting similar bills up are Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and a few others. It still saddens me that so many in this country, including our own president, are siding with national criminals!
No dis respect - but why doesn't the folks that hire them (which makes it attractive to come here) get called criminals??

Just wondering
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Old 06-13-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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I guess the Federal Government can determine by enforcing the laws that have always been on the books? Our country was founded on immigrants...legal ones. Our LAWS dictate how IT SHOULD BE.

And yes, the government has been turning a blind eye while companies are breaking the law. I blame the businesses as well as the illegals. But to ask why the Feds should care is preposterous. Not all citizens own businesses, and they are elected to uphold our laws.

However, it is constantly repeated that the US drug users are to blame for the cartels that sell to them...you can't have it both ways. If businesses are at fault for hiring illegals than the cartels would logically be responsible for our high drug use.

Of course this will not be the end of our financial problems, but it could be the beginning of the end.

Sorry, I believe in free markets. You can have you Fascist or Socialist state if you want. That won't make America better. We became a superpower with free enterprise and small government.

Drugs should be legalized. Then the cartels would fall.
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