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Old 06-17-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...If an illegal alien was under our jurisdiction he could be drafted into the military...
Male illegal aliens between the ages of 18 to 25 are required to register for the Selective Service draft, and could conceivably be called up for wartime service...

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...he could work as a Federal or State Employee, he could vote...
Voting and some government employment requires U.S. citizenship, which excludes Legal Permanent Residents...

 
Old 06-17-2011, 03:13 PM
 
Location: California
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Male illegal aliens between the ages of 18 to 25 are required to register for the Selective Service draft, and could conceivably be called up for wartime service...
Register with Selective Service

While they are required to register for Selective Service they are exempt from being drafted. It would take an Act of Congress to legalize them to allow them to be drafted.
 
Old 06-17-2011, 03:15 PM
 
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You simply can choose to believe your ignorance, but I would heed what others, to include myself, have told you, as your world comes crashing down around you. Based on your comments, I am willing to bet you are either an "anchor baby" yourself, brought here as a child through EWI and are now candidate for DREAM, or are nothing more than a High School student/graduate, and Progressive/Socialist at that.
wrong. you are welcome to guess again since your argument has failed. commence ad hominems.

lololol

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Old 06-17-2011, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...While they are required to register for Selective Service they are exempt from being drafted. It would take an Act of Congress to legalize them to allow them to be drafted.
Aliens are not exempted purely on that status, but by other possible qualifiers. By the link you provided (good information, but not the official Selective Service website) it does not show that aliens (whether they are legal or illegal) are globally excluded until "an Act of Congress". I would ask why someone is required to register that is exempt, but this is the Selective Service we are talking about.
 
Old 06-17-2011, 03:51 PM
 
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Why doesn't the government just start enforcing the laws against hiring their parents?
 
Old 06-17-2011, 04:35 PM
 
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The 14th Amendment does ffs I don't need to prove a thing unless you don't think the 14th Amendment section 1 is valid. The only question is if illegal aliens are under jurisdiction or not and that's not even in question considering Brennan's statement. If an illegal alien is under our jurisdiction he is a citizen. If he isn't under our jurisdiction please to be explaining. I only asked you to explain this like 5 pages ago. You seem to be back pedaling now so you admit they are under jurisdiction? Well then, tada they are citizens.
An illegal alien is a citizen?
 
Old 06-17-2011, 04:40 PM
 
Location: California
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Aliens are not exempted purely on that status, but by other possible qualifiers. By the link you provided (good information, but not the official Selective Service website) it does not show that aliens (whether they are legal or illegal) are globally excluded until "an Act of Congress". I would ask why someone is required to register that is exempt, but this is the Selective Service we are talking about.
We are discussing Illegal Aliens, not simply Aliens. Selective Service is nothing more than the means by which the United States maintains information on those potentially subject to military conscription. Registration for Selective Service is also required for various federal programs and benefits, including student loans, job training, federal employment, and naturalization, to include providing the names of all registrants to the Joint Advertising Marketing Research & Studies program.

The only way for an Illegal Alien to be drafted is by first and Act of Congress granting a legal status, since by joining the US Military one must swear an oath to defend the US Constitution. In order to do that, one must be "subject to the jurisdiction of" the United States, not merely "within the United States".

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Old 06-17-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: California
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wrong. you are welcome to guess again since your argument has failed. commence ad hominems.

lololol
Wrong? You've done nothing at all to prove anything you have stated to be in any way correct. You keep pointing to one blurb, a footnote, as your justification that the entire 14th Amendment is granted by plyler vs doe. Your ignorance of Judicial Precedence stands out. There are 3 clauses in the Section 1 of the 14th Amendment which in all has 5 Sections. The 3 Clauses are, Citizenship Clause, Equal Protection Clause, and the Due Process Clause. Plyler vs Doe was specific in the discussion of the Equal Protection Clause.

Until you can come back with Precedence that the Citizenship Clause pertains to Illegal Aliens, you very little credibility.
 
Old 06-17-2011, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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We are discussing Illegal Aliens, not simply Aliens...
There are no specifications between illegal and legal aliens in the wording...

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...The only way for an Illegal Alien to be drafted is by first and Act of Congress granting a legal status, since by joining the US Military one must swear an oath to defend the US Constitution...
Anyone can give an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution, no matter their immigration status. Consider that a drafted conscript is not necessarily enlisting voluntarily, so it does not hinge on whether a valid "Oath of Enlistment" was given. Otherwise a "draft dodger" could simply refuse to give an oath.
 
Old 06-17-2011, 05:42 PM
 
Location: California
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Anyone can give an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution, no matter their immigration status. Consider that a drafted conscript is not necessarily enlisting voluntarily, so it does not hinge on whether a valid "Oath of Enlistment" was given. Otherwise a "draft dodger" could simply refuse to give an oath.
The choices the draft dodger has is to either leave the nation or enroll into some other portion of selective service outside of combat. The issue with illegal aliens being drafted, or for that matter joining the military, is the fact that they hold no allegiance to the USA. They have not renounced allegiance to their country of Nationality. thus, Congress would have to allow some sort of legalization for them to renounce foreign allegiance.
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