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Old 06-10-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You are too quick. Now go back and deal with the Pew Poll.


Actually they are sick of the whole issue particularly the xenophobic radicals who can't stand hispanics.

And that is your problem. You need an overwhelming concensus and you can't get a majority.

The hispanic population is now big enough to influence events. They can't control but in many places you can't win if they oppose you.

Get use to it. A little spanish welcome may be needed in some areas.
Sorry, but my issue is with illegal aliens, not Hispanics, unless they are in fact here illegally, or are supporters of illegal aliens rather than their countrymen. Contrary to your belief, Hispanics do NOT control this country. It is precisely these nauseating delusions of grandeur, so prevalent, recently among Hispanics, that is increasingly turning people off. Go play your ethnocentric games elsewhere. They are getting rather tiresome.

 
Old 06-10-2011, 06:48 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Pray tell why Hispanics would object? Besides, legal Hispanics are at most about 40 million in this country ( including their pre-adult offspring). Hispanic voters only made up 10 million votes in the last presidential election. How is their opinion "fatal"? Our country is made up of over 310 million people altogether.

At nearly and even split according to that poll I don't see that it is "blowing smoke".
Because it takes an almost total concensus to change the constitution. The founders set it up so it is very difficult. Any substantial minority the chooses to resist can get enough leverage to prevent it.

One changes the consitution only with wide support and no significant opposition.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 07:00 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Sorry, but my issue is with illegal aliens, not Hispanics, unless they are in fact here illegally, or are supporters of illegal aliens rather than their countrymen. Contrary to your belief, Hispanics do NOT control this country. It is precisely these nauseating delusions of grandeur, so prevalent, recently among Hispanics, that is increasingly turning people off. Go play your ethnocentric games elsewhere. They are getting rather tiresome.
They have sufficient numbers to change the outcome of elections as many Repubs are beginning to find. The middle five percent is very powerful if the election is otherwise an even affair.

They have more than sufficient power to block a constitutional amendment...and that is the problem that must be dealt with. And they are not alone. A majoraity of the US electorate still seems to favor the 14th.

YOu have a very, very long way to go. And you have virtually no probability of success.

But maybe it is good. Beat your brains out on this issue keeping you from doing any real harm.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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Because it takes an almost total concensus to change the constitution. The founders set it up so it is very difficult. Any substantial minority the chooses to resist can get enough leverage to prevent it.

One changes the consitution only with wide support and no significant opposition.
You still didn't answer my question. Why is changing birthright citizenship something that Hispanics would object to?

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Old 06-10-2011, 07:15 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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You still didn't answer my question. Why is changing birthright citizenship something that Hispanics would object to?
Because they are patriotic americans who support that which has worked well for us for 150 years?

Because they suspect the alternative will discriminate against the hispanic?
 
Old 06-10-2011, 07:18 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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I happen to think changing the 14th is a very interesting idea.

I think we should require high school graduation to be a citizen. \

If you can't make that minimal level of education you simply are not equipped to vote in how we run the country.

So when you open the 14th open it wide. Maybe we can ship those who can't make citizen to Mexico or elsewhere so we don't have to deal with them.

Make a much nicer country.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 07:19 PM
 
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Get use to it. A little spanish welcome may be needed in some areas.
And illegals can expect to get "a little American welcome."

When the gov't won't do the right thing, We the People will have to handle this ourselves.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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You are too quick. Now go back and deal with the Pew Poll.


Actually they are sick of the whole issue particularly the xenophobic radicals who can't stand hispanics.

And that is your problem. You need an overwhelming concensus and you can't get a majority.

The hispanic population is now big enough to influence events. They can't control but in many places you can't win if they oppose you.

Get use to it. A little spanish welcome may be needed in some areas.
Not in Arizona. The illegals are down and scared.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Because they are patriotic americans who support that which has worked well for us for 150 years?

Because they suspect the alternative will discriminate against the hispanic?
Time to end birthright. It WILL end in the USA. especialy if more and more jobs go away. Remember unemployment is fading out. I know many people who have had NO job for years. The jobs the illegals do are for Americans NOT illegals.
 
Old 06-10-2011, 08:14 PM
 
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Because they are patriotic americans who support that which has worked well for us for 150 years?

Because they suspect the alternative will discriminate against the hispanic?
Yeah, sure thing. I wouldn't call the massive numbers of illegal aliens coming over here and giving birth and tapping into our tax coffers "working well". How in the world would changing birthright citizenship be discriminating against Hispanics? Be honest! It is benefiting them and that is why they don't want it changed. It is ethnocentricism plain and simple.
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