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Old 06-17-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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Okay when we all start paying outrageously high prices for groceries and other goods you will be wishing the illegals were here.
This is just pro-illegal hogwash that you are spouting. It has been debunked over and over. So-called benefits vs costs = a big net negative.

 
Old 06-17-2011, 05:24 PM
 
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My father works and owns an agricultural business that DOES NOT hire illegal aliens. They are moving out of my state now due to the bill being passed. Other farmers cannot find people who are willing to do the work, only the illegals were happy and willing to do the hard work. NO American wants these jobs and that is why we will see higher prices next time you go to your local farmer's market, give it a couple of months are so and you will see the difference.
Really? So how is it that your father can find legal workers but the other farmers can't? There are unlimited H-2A visas for farmers to use to import legal immigrant agricultural workers where an American can't be found. You were saying, again?
 
Old 06-17-2011, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Okay when we all start paying outrageously high prices for groceries and other goods you will be wishing the illegals were here.


Time to find out if your info is right.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Okay when we all start paying outrageously high prices for groceries and other goods you will be wishing the illegals were here.
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"We're probably at 30 percent of boxes of produce that we would normally get in the spring season," he says. "And it's there in front of you to be got, and the markets are good, and you can't get it. It's very frustrating. "

Johnson says the farmers can't find the labor, as workers who normally come up from Florida are afraid to come across the state line because of the new immigration reform law the governor recently signed
The real myth is that there are hundreds of American workers flooding in to do the work...That myth is being "blown to hell"
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Prospects for resolving the shortage look grim. Farmers say they are unable to recruit Georgia residents to work in their fields, because "it is temporary, hot and physically demanding."

 
Old 06-20-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Really? So how is it that your father can find legal workers but the other farmers can't? There are unlimited H-2A visas for farmers to use to import legal immigrant agricultural workers where an American can't be found. You were saying, again?

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Farmers are calling H2A an expensive and fully flawed program, which they believe is also having trouble getting workers to come to Georgia.

"A lot of them that normally come here and work, skipped, and went to the Carolinas because they're scared to get deported by this immigration bill," says Winston Bridges, owner of Bridges Farms in Morven, GA during a phone interview.

Cultivators say the newly passed HB87 law has workers spooked, even the legal ones, and they're not sure if the ones working now will come back in the fall.

"It will put us out of business or cripple us so bad, we'd have to cut down our operation, we might just have to just quit," says Hendrix.
Georgia Farmers Face a Work Force Shortage; HB87 Partly to Blame | NewsCentralGA.com | Your Source for Local News | FOX24 & ABC16 | WGXA - Macon | Macon, Ga | Local News

Just becdause they are availible doesnt mean they will work in a state in which they feel that may arrest and deport them...

another myth "blown to hell"
 
Old 06-20-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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Georgia Farmers Face a Work Force Shortage; HB87 Partly to Blame | NewsCentralGA.com | Your Source for Local News | FOX24 & ABC16 | WGXA - Macon | Macon, Ga | Local News

Just becdause they are availible doesnt mean they will work in a state in which they feel that may arrest and deport them...

another myth "blown to hell"
No myth at all. There are unlimited H-2A visas. If someone has one of these visas then why would they fear being arrested and deported?
 
Old 06-20-2011, 04:18 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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No myth at all. There are unlimited H-2A visas. If someone has one of these visas then why would they fear being arrested and deported?
Maybe they believe that the Georgia law trumps the federal H-2a visa...Maybe they see that a state can write it's own immigration laws, why would a state need to follow H-2A visa rules?
 
Old 06-20-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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Maybe they believe that the Georgia law trumps the federal H-2a visa...Maybe they see that a state can write it's own immigration laws, why would a state need to follow H-2A visa rules?
Ridiculous! If someone has a valid visa to be here no state can invalidate it. Maybe someone is just grasping at straws.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Ridiculous! If someone has a valid visa to be here no state can invalidate it. Maybe someone is just grasping at straws.
Really? Why can't a state create an SB1070-like bill, saying that it doesn't like how the Federal government is admitting legal immigrants? Or treat a Resident Card like the Matricula Consular, since it can be forged or sold, that they don't accept them as identification? Legal Permanent Residents can be refused at a Port of Entry ("...Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi Arabian citizen, is often referred to as the 20th [9/11] hijacker. Jose Melendez-Perez, a US Immigration inspector at Orlando International Airport refused his entry into the US in August 2001. He was later captured in Afghanistan and imprisoned at the US military prison known as Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba").

Nothing would surprise me at some point, what if a state does do what is said here?...

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Old 06-20-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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Really? Why can't a state create an SB1070-like bill, saying that it doesn't like how the Federal government is admitting legal immigrants? Or treat a Resident Card like the Matricula Consular, since it can be forged or sold, that they don't accept them as identification? Legal Permanent Residents can be refused at a Port of Entry ("...Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi Arabian citizen, is often referred to as the 20th [9/11] hijacker. Jose Melendez-Perez, a US Immigration inspector at Orlando International Airport refused his entry into the US in August 2001. He was later captured in Afghanistan and imprisoned at the US military prison known as Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba").

Nothing would surprise me at some point, what if a state does do what is said here?...
There would be no reason for a state to do that. SB1070 wasn't about legal visa holders but illegal aliens. Sh*t happens sometimes but hardly ever as in the scenarios you are painting. Sounds just like all the scenarios you threw out about birthright citizenship. You are also grasping at straws.
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