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Old 06-15-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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the center was closed down months ago...
yeah...I wonder how many more just like it have opened since...but with a little better anonymity this time.
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Old 06-15-2011, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The people who use the phrase "anchor baby" are doing it to promulgate the misrepresentation that having a citizen child somehow entitles the parent to remain here.

This is utterly false, and is used intentionally to distort the debate.
Not according to this. . .

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The Illinois congressman charged with crafting President Barack Obama’s amnesty bill has embarked on a national tour to promote a special program that allows illegal immigrants with children to remain in the United States, according to a public-interest group that investigates government crime and corruption.
Illegal aliens with children must stay in U.S., says congressman - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com

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(Washington, DC) – Today, at a Capitol Hill press conference, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-IL-4) was joined by families, community advocates, religious leaders, and other Members of Congress to announce the kick off of the Campaign for American Children and Families. The tour will lift up the stories of families and individuals "whose lives are being turned upside down by deportation," Rep. Gutierrez said, and will focus on U.S. citizens with immigrant parents or spouses whose families are being split apart. Almost 400,000 people are deported each year, a record number, and approximately four million U.S. citizen children have at least one parent who could be deported under current law.
REP. GUTIERREZ ANNOUNCES 20-PLUS CITY TOUR: "CAMPAIGN FOR AMERICAN CHILDREN AND FAMILIES"

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The “Campaign for American Children and Families” will highlight the toll that deportations are having on American families. While the campaign recognizes the necessity for a broad set of immigration reforms, it identifies the need to stop deportations of parents and spouses of U.S. citizens and others who are here working, raising families and contributing to our nation’s economic recovery.
Rep. Chu Joins Members to Launch Nationwide "Campaign for American Children and Families" | Congresswoman Judy Chu, Representing the 32nd District of California (http://chu.house.gov/2011/03/rep-chu-joins-members-to-launch-nationwide-campaign-for-american-children-and-families.shtml - broken link)

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Among the changes the campaign is asking for: granting parole to students eligible for the DREAM Act, parents of citizen children, and immigrants with deep roots in the community; and greater protections for all workers, including a moratorium on audits and ensuring the right to organize.
Congressman Gutierrez Pushes Obama To Make Good On Campaign Promises
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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Even though it is true right now that the parents aren't entitled to stay here by giving birth on our soil, with all this talk about amnesty it is still an incentive for them to keep that hope alive. The "anchor child" can still sponsor their parents when they reach adulthood so that still leaves an open door for them.
You people do realize that using the term "Anchor Babies" in this instance is 100% completely misleading and incorrect, right? These are RICH Chinese families coming to the US to give birth then they DO go back to China!!! They're NOT staying and are not using the AMERICAN educational (yep, the pre-college American educational system is laughable to many in the world) nor healthcare systems!!! They paid to come here and paid for the delivery with money that ends up going into the American marketplace that otherwise wouldn't have. For people in China, having an "American-born" baby is more of a STATUS symbol thing than trying to "steal" American money.

To sum it up: a) Mother and baby both LEAVE after birth hence not spending any US tax dollars rather they put money into the economy b) If and when the child becomes an adult and MOVES to America, he/she LEGALLY sponsor their parents immigration here AND ends up putting even more money into the US economy again LEGALLY. So what's the problem? You have issues against illegal immigration, now this is LEGAL immigration and there's an issue as well?

By the way, this is actually truly more about "Status Symbol" than some nebulous VERY long-term prediction that it's more about immigration. Seriously, how likely is it that your long term plan ever works out, let alone a plan that could be 21 years down the line???? To them, having a "born in America" moniker is the same thing as people here buying Lexus, Mercedes, McMansions, etc. It's all about showing off, i.e. one-upping each other. For native older generation Chinese people, most are quite vain and love to show off how rich they (or their children) are and how this family is richer than another. Having a "born in America" tag right now is the ultimate one-upsmanship because of all the expenses that are needed to make it happen. It's dumb, but long-term cultural notions are hard to dispel.
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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You people do realize that using the term "Anchor Babies" in this instance is 100% completely misleading and incorrect, right? These are RICH Chinese families coming to the US to give birth then they DO go back to China!!! They're NOT staying and are not using the AMERICAN educational (yep, the pre-college American educational system is laughable to many in the world) nor healthcare systems!!! They paid to come here and paid for the delivery with money that ends up going into the American marketplace that otherwise wouldn't have. For people in China, having an "American-born" baby is more of a STATUS symbol thing than trying to "steal" American money.
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To sum it up: a) Mother and baby both LEAVE after birth hence not spending any US tax dollars rather they put money into the economy b) If and when the child becomes an adult and MOVES to America, he/she LEGALLY sponsor their parents immigration here AND ends up putting even more money into the US economy again LEGALLY. So what's the problem? You have issues against illegal immigration, now this is LEGAL immigration and there's an issue as well?
Didn't read the article, did ya?

Giving birth to a child abroad is not a privilege reserved to the stars and the very wealthy. An increasing number of expectant middle-class parents also fancy giving their children passports that they can feel proud of. "The return on investment is higher than robbing a bank," the consultancy agent tells women such as Liu. When Chinese children are born in America, they automatically become U.S. citizens. Once they reach 21, their parents will be able to apply for green cards and emigrate.

They are coming here on tourist visas (not as immigrants) to take advantage of the badly misconstrued 14th amendment in order to bear USC children with the hopes of the child sponsoring them to emigrate in 21 years.

Once back in China, they have to seek out false documents for the child in order to be able to have them attend Chinese schools.

Because her son has a U.S. passport, the law does not allow him to be registered in his mother's local area, which means that he will not be automatically admitted to Chinese schools. Song will have to register him as a foreigner, and pay an extra fee. His access to education and health care also faces a lot of constraints.
"Some parents obtain fake birth certificates for their children, or cheat the Chinese Embassy to get them Chinese passports. But then they can't get visas or go abroad," Song explains. She is still hesitating on what to do next. If Song gets her son a fake hukou (the Chinese registration system), which would make it easier for him to go to a local school, she fears that all the efforts she has made up to now could be in vain.


Last night I spoke with a neighbor who grew up in China during the Cultural Revolution. She explained the registration system to me -- it is far more complex than this article delves into.


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By the way, this is actually truly more about "Status Symbol" than some nebulous VERY long-term prediction that it's more about immigration. Seriously, how likely is it that your long term plan ever works out, let alone a plan that could be 21 years down the line???? To them, having a "born in America" moniker is the same thing as people here buying Lexus, Mercedes, McMansions, etc. It's all about showing off, i.e. one-upping each other. For native older generation Chinese people, most are quite vain and love to show off how rich they (or their children) are and how this family is richer than another. Having a "born in America" tag right now is the ultimate one-upsmanship because of all the expenses that are needed to make it happen. It's dumb, but long-term cultural notions are hard to dispel.
The parents can't brag about the born in the USA status -- unless they've renounced the child's US citizenship. China does not permit dual citizenship. The action of the mother bearing her child here is a gamble she's taking on both bettering her child's future as well as her own. The child (despite living in China) is eligible for for benefits.

In return, once sponsored by the adult child, the parents (Chinese nationals immigrating here) will be eligible for some limited welfare benefits without ever having paid into the system.

According to the 14th Amendment to the U.S. constitution (ratified in 1868), anyone born in United States automatically becomes an American citizen and obtains access to public education, university loans, voting, and so on... Even so, if one does not work in America or pay taxes after the age of 15, one can only enjoy very limited access to U.S. welfare benefits.

This is nothing about status symbol births.
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:21 AM
 
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It's not only the Chinese. Many pregnant women come here on tourist visas from other Asian countries, most notably Korea, and from India, and the Middle East. My understanding is they swear they're not more than 6 months pregnant in order to get a visa.
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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Interesting. Women from Haiti do it all the time, they come here on a student visa, or come to vist relatives..this is not just a Hispanic issue. It is a loophole to get American benefits and rights. Automatically, a child born here is eligible for public housing, even if the Mother is illegal.
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:55 PM
 
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Interesting. Women from Haiti do it all the time, they come here on a student visa, or come to vist relatives..this is not just a Hispanic issue. It is a loophole to get American benefits and rights. Automatically, a child born here is eligible for public housing, even if the Mother is illegal.
However, it is "mostly" a Hispanic issue just like illegal immigration itself is "mostly" a Mexican issue.
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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Birthright Citizenship is a joke. Those CEO scum suckers in Arizona slithered their way into the public spotlight when they wailed and cried about any attempts to plug this much abused loophole of granting citizenship to those who should not be eligible for such.

I know for a fact that I can't go to China and have a baby there who gains automatic citizenship. I don't think I should be able to either. China is a sovereign nation which should value it's own national identitiy. Globalism is a ruse so the rich can be less inconvenienced with trade barriers in their endless quest for glutteny.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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This is off the subject, but an issue I think has merit--Haiti had a devestating earthquake, living conditions are horrible. We brought many children here for humanitarian reasons, for medical care, which they got free of charge, plus housing, food, for their parents, while their children received free medical care. Now, it is time for them to go back to their own country--surprise--they don't want to go back to Haiti--they fill out paperwork to stay here...haven't we done enough already? I guess not. No graditude, they just want more. Their Karma is that they are Haitian. Go home, fill out what ever paperwork they need to do to come here legally.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:52 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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This is off the subject, but an issue I think has merit--Haiti had a devestating earthquake, living conditions are horrible. We brought many children here for humanitarian reasons, for medical care, which they got free of charge, plus housing, food, for their parents, while their children received free medical care. Now, it is time for them to go back to their own country--surprise--they don't want to go back to Haiti--they fill out paperwork to stay here...haven't we done enough already? I guess not. No graditude, they just want more. Their Karma is that they are Haitian. Go home, fill out what ever paperwork they need to do to come here legally.
Are you upset the Hatians who are complying with the law, as it is wrtiten, or with the law which allows them to apply for legal resident status?
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